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   On 12/26/2025 7:48 AM, James wrote:   
   > On Sat, 20 Dec 2025 11:55:06 -0600, Christ Rose   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 12/20/2025 10:12 AM, James wrote:   
   >>> On Thu, 18 Dec 2025 16:54:52 -0600, Christ Rose   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> ========================================   
   >>>> Wed, 17 Dec 2025 13:48:13 -0500   
   >>>>    
   >>>> Watchtower James  wrote:   
   >>>> ========================================   
   >>>>>> No one disputes that staurus means pole, fool! The Bible also calls   
   >>>>>> boats "boats", not "oars". However, only a MORON would argue that boats   
   >>>>>> don't have oars, because it says "boats", not "oars". Romans hung   
   >>>>>> patibulum on the staurus, forming a cross. Your whole argument is STUPID   
   >>>>>> and UNNECESSARILY DIVISIVE.   
   >>>>        “When evening came, his disciples went down to the sea, got into   
   >>>>         a boat...When they had rowed about three or four miles...” (John   
   >>>>         6:16–19, ESV)   
   >>>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> Well, according to you, I'm a Moron, because not all boats have oars.   
   >>>>> For example, Irish coracles, kayaks (paddles not oars), canoes   
   >>>>> (paddles).   
   >>>> Bible boats had oars.   
   >>> The Bible says Jesus died on an upright pole. (even a tree) Period. No   
   >>> amount of other reasoning will change that.   
   >>   
   >> In case you're still not getting it, let's make this simple:   
   >>   
   >> 1. “boat” ? “without oars”   
   >>     (Mark 6:48–51 assumes rowing without listing oars)   
   >>   
   >> 2. “house” ? “without doors”   
   >>     (Genesis 19:10 mentions doors without redefining “house”)   
   >>   
   >> 3. “altar” ? “without wood”   
   >>     (Genesis 22:9; Leviticus 1:7–8 assumes wood as part of the altar use)   
   >>   
   >> 4. “ark” ? “without rooms”   
   >>     (Genesis 6:14 gives details later; the word “ark” alone does not   
   >> deny them)   
   >>   
   >> 5. “tabernacle” ? “without curtains”   
   >>     (Exodus 26 explains parts, but the name itself does not negate them)   
   >>   
   >> 6. “table” ? “without legs”   
   >>     (Exodus 25:23–30 assumes structure without itemizing basics)   
   >>   
   >> 7. “ship” ? “without sails”   
   >>     (Acts 27:17–19 discusses rigging later; “ship” does not deny it)   
   >>   
   >> 8. “staff” ? “without crook”   
   >>     (Exodus 4:2–4; the form is not denied by the word)   
   >>   
   >> 9. “altar of incense” ? “without fire”   
   >>     (Leviticus 16:12–13 presumes fire without redefining the altar)   
   >>   
   >> 10. “throne” ? “without seat”   
   >>      (1 Kings 10:18–20 describes features later; the term never denies   
   them)   
   >>   
   >> 11. “pole” ? “without crossbeam”   
   >>   
   >> In Scripture and ordinary language, naming a vertical support never   
   >> denies attached horizontal elements. A “pole” identifies the main   
   >> upright, not every component fastened to it. The word itself does not   
   >> exclude a crosspiece unless the text explicitly says so.   
   >>   
   >> Conclusion   
   >>   
   >> A general term names the object, not an inventory of its parts. Absence   
   >> must be stated, not assumed. In the same way, “stauros” names the   
   >> execution structure; it does not specify or deny the presence of a   
   >> crossbeam unless the context explicitly says so.   
   > Your logic is, a word, if it doesn't name every atom in it, is open   
   > house to add whatever you want. That is illogic.   
   >   
   > We can use reverse logic. the word "cross", doesn't name a crossbeam,   
   > thus it has none.   
   >   
   > I'll stay with the common sense thought that a "staurus" is what BIBLE   
   > SCHOLARS say is an upright pole.   
      
      
   Thanks for demonstrating the abject stupidity with which you seek to   
   promote daily lies and contention in here. "Staurus" (pole) no more   
   necessitates the understanding "without a crossbeam" than "boat"   
   necessitates the understanding "without oars", or "throne" necessitates   
   the understanding "without a seat" or "staff" requires the meaning   
   "without a crook". One doesn't have to deny "staurus" to understand   
   Roman's hung patibulum on them. And there's no major Bible teaching   
   which suffers if one understands they were in the shape of a cross after   
   Romans hung the cross-beam.   
      
   You promote heretical lies in denying Christ is God and promoting the   
   false gospel that human death atones for sins, then come in here and   
   fabricate exclusive definitions of words and promote stupid lies to try   
   and vilify the church by associating it with paganism, like the fool who   
   strains out a gnat, then swallows a camel. You don't fool me, tool of Satan.   
      
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