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   Sun, 04 Jan 2026 09:01:13 -0500   
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   Watchtower Heretic James  wrote:   
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   >> Seneca mentions criminals being fastened to the patibulum, indicating it   
   was a physical beam."   
      
   > Although it could have been a crux simplex.   
      
   "Although" admits it could have been a T or t. If your ongoing claims   
   had simply been that "it could have been just a pole without a   
   cross-beam", that would be one thing. But you have PRETENDED in this   
   case for a LONG TIME, that if it doesn't specifically state "with a   
   cross-beam", then it automatically EXCLUDES that understanding,   
   "period", no matter how much extra-biblical reasoning goes along with   
   it. You have been claiming to that effect. That cannot be an ignorant,   
   or sincere oversight.   
      
   You understand that "boat" doesn't mean "without oars", simply because   
   it uses the word "boat" and not "with oars". They didn't need to be told   
   "boat with oars", because they KNEW they had oars without being told,   
   since they "rowed" the boats.   
      
   You understand that "house" doesn't necessitate "house without doors",   
   simply because it says "house", and not "house with doors". Everyone   
   knew they had doors.   
      
   Yet when you get to the word "pole", you INSIST that it MUST be   
   understood as "without a patibulum", and that "no amount of reasoning"   
   that comes from outside the Bible can change that.   
      
   That is two falsehoods (lies) at once. The first lie is that one would   
   need to change "pole" to "pole with a patibulum" in order for it to   
   include a patibulum. You KNOW and have ADMITTED that Bible boats had   
   oars, even though they say "boat", not "boat with oars". You KNOW that   
   Bible houses had doors, even though they say "house", not "house with   
   doors". Yet when it comes to the word "pole", you INSIST that it MUST   
   EXCLUSIVELY mean "pole without cross-beams". That is NOT an "innocent   
   error" or "mistake". That's WILLFUL, INTENTIONAL DECEIT, to try and   
   disqualify patibulum on the basis that it says "pole", not "pole with a   
   patibulum".   
      
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