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   Wed, 07 Jan 2026 18:19:06 -0500   
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   Watchtower Heretic James  wrote:   
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   > On Thu, 1 Jan 2026 11:17:42 -0600, Christ Rose   
   >  wrote:   
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   >> Wed, 31 Dec 2025 17:07:39 -0500   
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   >> Watchtower Heretic James  wrote:   
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   >>> You see, the Bible says the dead are not   
   >>> conscious. (Jesus calls them "sleeping". (John 11:11))   
   >>   
   >> LIES   
   >>   
   >> Jesus used “sleep” as a metaphor for the body in death, not as a   
   >> statement about non-existence or unconsciousness of the person.   
   >> Scripture itself defines how that language functions.   
   >>   
   >> John 11:11–14 clarifies the metaphor. “After saying these things, he   
   >> said to them, ‘Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep, but I go to awaken   
   >> him.’ The disciples said to him, ‘Lord, if he has fallen asleep, he will   
   >> recover.’ Now Jesus had spoken of his death, but they thought that he   
   >> meant taking rest in sleep. Then Jesus told them plainly, ‘Lazarus has   
   >> died.’” (John 11:11–14, ESV)   
   >   
   > Sleep represents no existence. If Lazarus was in Heaven floating   
   > around, He would be highly upset if anyone pulled him from that high   
   > station, back to this imperfections of  our environment.   
   >   
   > Question: Evolution is a blind as a bat. Deaf as a rock, Cannot taste   
   > anything, And yet is praised for being our Creator.   
   >   
   > How did evolution with no brain and no ears or eyes or whatever senses   
   > it needs. How can something with no optic nerve know that vision is   
   > necessary to "see". Or without ears, it had to build a device that   
   > could hear sound waves, though it couldn't see or hear sounds itself.   
   > How?, how?, how?   
   >>   
   >> Sleep describes the appearance of the body and the certainty of   
   >> awakening, not the state of the soul. Scripture repeatedly distinguishes   
   >> the body from the conscious person.   
   >>   
   >> Jesus taught conscious existence after bodily death. “Do not fear those   
   >> who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather fear him who can   
   >> destroy both soul and body in Gehenna.” (Matthew 10:28, ESV) Men can   
   >> kill the body. They cannot end the soul. That requires God’s judgment   
   >> after death.   
   >>   
   >> Jesus denied that death equals non-existence. “I am the God of Abraham,   
   >> and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. He is not God of the dead,   
   >> but of the living.” (Matthew 22:32, ESV) Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob lived   
   >> centuries after their deaths.   
   >>   
   >> Jesus taught conscious fellowship immediately after death. “Truly, I say   
   >> to you, today you will be with me in Paradise.” (Luke 23:43, ESV) The   
   >> promise concerned that very day, not a distant awakening after   
   >> non-existence.   
   >>   
   >> Jesus described conscious awareness after death in Luke 16:19–31. The   
   >> rich man spoke, remembered, reasoned, felt anguish, and recognized   
   >> others after death. This passage teaches continuity of personal   
   >> consciousness beyond bodily death.   
   >>   
   >> The apostles taught the same. “We would rather be away from the body and   
   >> at home with the Lord.” (2 Corinthians 5:8, ESV) Absence from the body   
   >> does not equal unconsciousness. It equals presence with the Lord.   
   >>   
   >> Paul expected conscious communion after death. “My desire is to depart   
   >> and be with Christ, for that is far better.” (Philippians 1:23, ESV)   
   >> Non-existence cannot be described as “far better.”   
   >>   
   >> Sleep language appears because the body rests in the grave awaiting   
   >> resurrection. The person does not cease. Scripture never teaches degrees   
   >> of non-existence. That is why Jesus said of Judas, “It would have been   
   >> better for that man if he had not been born.” (Matthew 26:24, ESV)   
   >> Non-existence cannot be worse than non-existence.   
   >>   
   >> The Bible does not teach that the dead lack consciousness. It teaches   
   >> bodily death, continued personal existence, and future bodily   
   >> resurrection through Christ, who conquered death by His own resurrection   
   >> (1 Corinthians 15:1–4, ESV).   
      
   I remain disabused of the delusion that your foolish lies and   
   hypocritical double standards have not already been exposed and refuted   
   ad nauseam.   
      
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   Have you heard the good news Christ died for our sins (†), and God   
   raised Him from the dead?   
      
   That Christ died for our sins shows we're sinners who deserve the death   
   penalty. That God raised Him from the dead shows Christ's death   
   satisfied God's righteous demands against our sin (Romans 3:25; 1 John   
   2:1-2). This means God can now remain just, while forgiving you of your   
   sins, and saving you from eternal damnation.   
      
   On the basis of Christ's death and resurrection for our sins, call on   
   the name of the Lord to save you: "For 'everyone who calls on the name   
   of the Lord will be saved'" (Romans 10:13, ESV).   
      
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