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Thu, 08 Jan 2026 19:02:15 -0500
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Pagan Mind Poisoned James wrote:
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> On Sun, 4 Jan 2026 18:20:38 -0600, Christ Rose
> wrote:
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>> Sun, 04 Jan 2026 09:01:13 -0500
>> <0mkklkl7qveldn1p40s9h5kqjli7k8lr42@4ax.com>
>> Watchtower Heretic James wrote:
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>>>> These sources confirm that Roman crucifixion involved the patibulum,
>>>> which the condemned carried and was affixed to, forming the traditional
>>>> cross ["pole"] structure (T or †). The concept of outstretched arms
(e.g., John
>>>> 21:18) assumes this form.
>>
>>> But assuming you are right, why would the 1st century Bible writers
>>> call it a staurus? They should have called it a pagan cross ["pole"], or
the
>>> Latin crux.
>>
>>
>> Why did first century Bible writers refer to God as "theos", since
>> that's what pagans called their false gods?
>
> So?
>
> Those writers were influenced to write those things by God Himself:
>
> -- King James
> 2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
> profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
> in righteousness:
Which confirms the point you are trying to oppose. You are trying to
poison people's minds against things by associating them with paganism,
if pagans ever used them, even though the Bible itself shows them as
being prescribed by God for believers. For example:
The word "theos" does not become evil by association, simply because
pagans use it to refer to their false gods.
Rainbows do not become evil by association with evil, just because
pagans use them to promote homosexuality. God prescribed the rainbow as
a symbol of His promise not to destroy all the earth with a flood
(Genesis 9:12–17, ESV).
The cross ["pole"] (or "pole" if you will) does not become evil by
association simply because pagans or Romans used it as an instrument of
execution. God ordained the cross ["pole"] ["pole"] as the means by
which Christ accomplished redemption through His blood (1 Corinthians
1:18; Galatians 6:14, ESV).
Meat offered to idols does not become spiritually defiled by
association. Scripture teaches that an idol is nothing, and believers
may eat such meat with a clear conscience, so long as they do not lead a
weaker brother to sin (1 Corinthians 8:4–13; 10:25–30, ESV).
Gold does not become evil by association because pagans used it for
idols. God commanded its use in the tabernacle and temple for holy
purposes (Exodus 25–30, ESV).
Bread and wine do not become pagan because false religions use them in
rituals. Christ appointed bread and the cup as symbols of His body and
blood (1 Corinthians 11:23–26, ESV).
Kingship does not become evil because pagan nations had kings. God
established kingship in Israel and promises an eternal King through
David’s line, fulfilled in Christ (2 Samuel 7:12–16; Luke 1:32–33, ESV).
Sacrifice does not become pagan because idolaters sacrificed to false
gods. God prescribed sacrifices that pointed forward to the once-for-all
sacrifice of Christ (Hebrews 10:1–14, ESV).
Priests do not become illegitimate because pagans had priesthoods. God
appointed priests under the law and now appoints Christ as the final
High Priest (Hebrews 4:14–16; 7:23–28, ESV).
Incense does not become pagan because idol temples burned it. God
prescribed incense as part of worship and prayer before Him (Exodus
30:34–38; Revelation 5:8, ESV).
Feasts do not become pagan because nations held festivals. God commanded
feasts that taught His people redemption and rest (Leviticus 23, ESV).
Marriage does not become pagan because unbelievers practice it. God
instituted marriage at creation and honors it as His design (Genesis
2:24; Hebrews 13:4, ESV).
Wine does not become evil by association because pagans abused it.
Scripture condemns drunkenness, not the proper use of wine (Psalm
104:14–15; Ephesians 5:18, ESV).
Written symbols do not become corrupt because pagans carved images or
inscriptions. God Himself wrote His law and commanded His word to be
written and read publicly (Exodus 31:18; Deuteronomy 31:11, ESV).
Days and seasons do not become pagan because idolaters observe them. God
established days and appointed times for worship and rest (Genesis 1:14;
Exodus 20:8–11, ESV).
The consistent biblical principle stands. God does not surrender His
truth, His symbols, or His gifts to false religion simply because
unbelievers misuse them.
>> You try to poison people's
>> minds by association over things that are not sin, based on false
>> standards of your own invention. We are not obligated to call everything
>> a pagan uses evil, just because they use it. Rainbows are still God's
>> covenant with mankind not to destroy the entire earth with a flood. They
>> don't become evil, simply because pagans appropriate it to promote evil.
>
> When I say "pagan", I am meaning in a false religious sense.
>
> Like for example, I may call it a pagan cross ["pole"]. Yes, a pagan cross
["pole"]
> might even be worshipped, depending upon which pagan nation is
> promoting the cross ["pole"].
idem. If the Bible commends, prescribes, or doesn't forbid it, then
that's what stands for a believer, not whether or not you can find some
pagan who misused the word or thing. We are not obligated to adopt a
poisoned view towards things, just because you try to associate
everything with a pagan abuse.
> I know Constantine thinks he saw a cross ["pole"] in the vision near the sun.
> From then on cross ["pole"]es were coming out of their ears. (oh by the way,
> Constantine was a sun worshipper)
Scripture does not ground truth in Constantine, visions near the sun, or
the later behavior of Roman rulers. Scripture grounds truth in what God
purposed and revealed long before Constantine existed.
The cross ["pole"] stands at the center of God’s saving work, not
because of a Roman emperor, but because God determined it as the means
of redemption.
Jesus spoke of His death before it happened and identified the manner of
it. “And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to
myself.” He said this to show by what kind of death he was going to die
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