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   Wed, 28 Jan 2026 13:07:59 -0500   
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   Watchtower Heretic James  wrote:   
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   >> Revelation shows the fulfillment of this:   
   >>   
   >>       “Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it.   
   >>        From his presence earth and sky fled away, and no place was   
   >>        found for them.” (Revelation 20:11, ESV)   
      
   > Again, the word "them" implies PEOPLE.   
      
   That is simply a grammatical error, not an interpretation.   
      
   “From his presence **earth and sky fled away**, and **no place was found   
   for them**” (Revelation 20:11, ESV).   
      
   The pronoun “them” has a clear, immediate antecedent: **earth and sky**.   
   English grammar does not allow you to jump over the nearest plural nouns   
   and substitute an unrelated group (“people”) that has not been mentioned   
   in the sentence.   
      
   If John meant people, he would have said people. He does so repeatedly   
   in the same context.   
      
   “And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne”   
   (Revelation 20:12, ESV).   
      
   Notice the order:   
      
   1. Earth and sky flee.   
   2. No place is found for them.   
   3. Then the dead appear before the throne.   
      
   Earth and sky are removed **before** the dead are judged. That alone   
   refutes your claim. People are still very much present after “them” has   
   already fled.   
      
   You also cannot claim symbolism here without destroying the passage.   
   John is careful and precise. When Revelation uses symbols, it either   
   marks them (“like,” “as”) or explains them. This verse does neither. It   
   uses plain narrative language.   
      
   There is another decisive problem for your reading.   
      
   People do not flee God’s presence successfully. Creation does.   
      
   Where can man flee from God’s presence? Nowhere (Psalm 139:7–10). But   
   creation *can* be removed to make way for judgment. That is exactly what   
   the text describes.   
      
   And this verse matches the rest of Scripture perfectly:   
      
   “The heavens will pass away with a roar” (2 Peter 3:10, ESV).   
   “They will perish… like a garment they will be changed” (Hebrews   
   1:11–12, ESV).   
   “The first heaven and the first earth passed away” (Revelation 21:1, ESV).   
      
   You are not following grammar, context, or the flow of the chapter. You   
   are redefining a pronoun to avoid the force of the text.   
      
   “Earth and sky fled away” means earth and sky fled away.   
   “No place was found for them” means no place was found for earth and sky.   
      
   Scripture is not ambiguous here.   
      
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