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On 10/13/2025 12:48 PM, James wrote:
> On Sun, 12 Oct 2025 10:16:41 -0700, Robert <.robert@mu.way> wrote:
>
>> On Oct 12, 2025, James wrote
>> (Message-ID:):
>>
>>> On Sat, 11 Oct 2025 19:46:59 -0700, Robert<.robert@mu.way> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jhn 14:12-14
>>>>
>>>> 12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works
that I
>>>> do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I
go
>>>> unto my Father.
>>>>
>>>> 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father
>>>> may be glorified in the Son.
>>>>
>>>> 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
>>>>
>>>> This promise does not belong strictly to the Full Gospel types, neither
the
>>>> the Charismatic believers, but to all Born Again Believers who have been
>>>> baptized by Jesus according to the prophecy of John the Baptist.
>>>>
>>>> If you care to understand the fullness of this scripture continue on from
>>>> V15
>>>> - 21
>>>>
>>>> In all these things those that deny the workings of the Heavenly Father
>>>> through the Believer miss out on.
>>>>
>>>> Why would anyone want to shun the workings of God in their lives and those
>>>> around them is beyond me, and to teach such things is to project the words
>>>> of
>>>> the evil one and deny from others the blessings of God through the death
and
>>>> resurrection.
>>>
>>> Re: Is Yahweh/Jesus still seated at the right hand of His Father?
>>>
>>> Yes, but sitting at God's right side signifies being subordanent. And
>>> the Scriptures concurr. While Jesus was in Heaven with God:
>>>
>>> -- King James
>>> 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
>>> man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
>>> Christ is God.
>>>
>>> Sincerely James
>>
>> Corrected your top posting.
>>
>> Sitting at the right hand of God the Father is a place of the greatest Honor
>> that the Heavenly Father can bestow. He sets Jesus before all of mankind. To
>> worship as Himself.
>
> Also, it is a subordinate position. (John 14:28)
>
>>
>> Jesus said, Jhn 8:54Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is
nothing:
>> it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
>
> That proves that Jesus is not God, since God honors Himself. For
> example see Ex 20:1-11.
Sadly it does not. The Aramaic word for "Creator" is "אֲבָא" (Abba)
or "בָּרָא" (Bara).
>>
>> Jhn 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto
>> you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father:
>> for my Father is greater than I.
>
> Thus Jesus can't be God. But if he was what Jesus is saying is 'For I
> am greater than myself'.
>
>>
>> The scriptures do not concur with you. “While Jesus was in Heaven with
>> God:” The scriptures all concur in that Jesus is far, far greater than
you,
>> that He is the head of every man. 1Cor 11:3 Which includes all men of any
>> religion whether it be false or true. That he was so before the worlds
began.
>
> Yes, and that Scripture also says that God is greater than Jesus.
>
>>
>> Rom 14:11 For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow
>> to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.
>>
>> Php 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in
>> heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
>>
>> The last verse speaks of all those that are in hell shall bow as well.
>
> The Bible hell is the grave. And when people go there they "go down in
> silence".
>
>>
>> Isa 45:23 I have sworn by Myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in
>> righteousness and shall not return, that unto Me every knee shall bow, every
>> tongue shall swear [allegiance]. [Rom 14:11; Php 2:10-11; Heb 6:13]
>>
>> If you seek the truth, read Isaiah 45:18-25 For it will destroy all your
>> false doctrine, for that is what is written of in Romans 14:11.
>
> It will destroy nothing.
>>
>> Jesus, the Anointed One came to do the will of His Heavenly Father, to speak
>> His Words, to do His Works, to bring Honor and Glory unto his Father. He
>> spoke that freely if full humility and with Honor
>>
>> That you would seek to demean The Lord Jesus Christ, as if he were not to be
>> honored above all men, which BTW his Heavenly Father declared him to be, is
>> without respect, and is of the evil one.
>
> You mistaken as usual. When I quoted 1 Cor 11:3, I just placed Jesus
> above humans. Here it is again:
>
> - King James
> 1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every
> man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of
> Christ is God.
>
> Did you see that I didn't demean Jesus in any way. Just repeated what
> the Bible already said.
>
>>
>> So, therefore, bend your knees to Jesus before you die,
>
> Since 1 Cor 11:3 and others, show that Jesus is NOT God, JW's don't
> worship Jesus.
>
>
>
>> lest you be found
>> later dwelling within the pit of hell awaiting the Judgment seat of Jesus
the
>> Christ on the day or the white throne of Judgment
>
> All of us will ben
>
>
>
> and then tossed without
>> respect into the Lake of Fire and Brimstone for everlasting torment.
>
> You still don't get it do you? I have gone over that SYMBOLIC "lake of
> fire" many times. Here is the key point again: Death is tossed into
> it. Can death be tortured?
>>
>> Believe me, there will be much torment, sorrow, and a grinding of the teeth,
>> as all those men are tormented by the thought of what could have been had
>> they bent the knee before death.
>
> There is no set way to pray in the NT. We are just to be respectful.
>
> Sincerely James
> "Can Peacekeeping Efforts Create a Peaceful World?
> Get the Answer". See jw.org (10/13/2025)
>
>>
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