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   >> Yes, if you die without relying on Christ as your Savior, you will   
   >> suffer just, conscious, eternal torment in the lake of fire. There will   
   >> be no second chances, and no annihilation or cessation of conscious   
   >> existence   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >> Here are the Bible truths which expose Watchtower "comforting" LIES   
   >> about eternal judgment. Everyone who rejects God's justice, mercy, and   
   >> grace in offering Christ as Savior, WILL suffer eternal, conscious torment:   
      
   [See above]   
      
   > See right above.   
      
   [See above]   
      
   > I accept all quoted correct .Scriptures.   
      
   Liar. You accept a perverted version that adds words like "other", not   
   for the sake of smooth translation, but to promote your denial of the   
   fact the Bible teaches Jesus is God.   
      
   The NWT is not a translation. It's a doctrinal heresy abomination   
   imposed on the Bible: https://christrose.news/nwt   
      
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   >>   
   >> Matthew 5:22   
   >>   
   >> “Whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the fire of *hell   
   >> [Gehenna]*.” (5:22, ESV)   
   >   
   >   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Matthew 5:29   
   >>   
   >> “It is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole   
   >> body be thrown into *hell [Gehenna]*.” (5:29, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Matthew 5:30   
   >>   
   >> “It is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole   
   >> body go into *hell [Gehenna]*.” (5:30, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Matthew 10:28   
   >>   
   >> “Fear Him who can destroy both soul and body in *hell [Gehenna]*.”   
   >> (10:28, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Matthew 18:9   
   >>   
   >> “To be thrown into the *hell [Gehenna]* of fire.” (18:9, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Matthew 23:33   
   >>   
   >> “How are you to escape being sentenced to *hell [Gehenna]*?” (23:33,   
   ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Mark 9:43   
   >>   
   >> “To go to *hell [Gehenna]*, to the unquenchable fire.” (9:43, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Mark 9:45   
   >>   
   >> “To be thrown into *hell [Gehenna]*.” (9:45, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >>   
   >> Mark 9:47–48   
   >>   
   >> “To be thrown into *hell [Gehenna]*, ‘where their worm does not die and   
   >> the fire is not quenched.’” (9:47–48, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Luke 12:5   
   >>   
   >> “Fear Him who, after He has killed, has authority to cast into *hell   
   >> [Gehenna]*.” (12:5, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> James 3:6   
   >>   
   >> “Set on fire by *hell [Gehenna]*.” (3:6, ESV   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >> Matthew 13:42   
   >>   
   >> “And throw them into the fiery furnace [kaminos tou pyros]. In that   
   >> place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (13:42, ESV)   
   >   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> Matthew 13:50   
   >>   
   >> “And throw them into the fiery furnace [kaminos tou pyros]. In that   
   >> place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.” (13:50, ESV)   
   >   
   > See above.   
   >   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >>   
   >> Matthew 25:30   
   >>   
   >> “Throw the worthless servant into the outer darkness [to skotos to   
   >> exoteron]. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”   
   >   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >   
   >> (25:30, ESV)   
   >>   
   >> Matthew 25:41   
   >>   
   >> “Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire [to pyr to aionion]   
   >> prepared for the devil and his angels.” (25:41, ESV)   
   >   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >> 2 Thessalonians 1:9   
   >>   
   >> “They will suffer the punishment of eternal destruction [olethron   
   >> aionion], away from the presence of the Lord.” (1:9, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> “Destruction” here describes ruin and exclusion, not cessation, since it   
   >> is eternal and experienced “away from” someone.   
   >   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >>   
   >> REVELATION’S EXPLICIT INTERPRETATION   
   >>   
   >> Revelation 14:11   
   >>   
   >> “The smoke of their torment [basanismou] goes up forever and ever [eis   
   >> aionas aionon], and they have no rest, day or night.” (14:11, ESV)   
   >   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >>   
   >> Revelation 20:10   
   >>   
   >> “They will be tormented [basanisthesontai] day and night forever and   
   >> ever [eis tous aionas ton aionon].” (20:10, ESV)   
   >   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> Revelation 20:15   
   >>   
   >> “If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, he was   
   >> thrown into the lake of fire [limne tou pyros].” (20:15, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> Revelation 21:8   
   >>   
   >> “Their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur   
   >> [limne ten kaiomene pyri kai theio], which is the second death [ho   
   >> thanatos ho deuteros].” (21:8, ESV)   
   >   
   > OK.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> LIES REFUTED DIRECTLY FROM SCRIPTURE   
   >   
      
   [See below]   
      
   >>   
   >> 1. “Fire means total destruction”   
   >>   
   >> Refuted by weeping, gnashing, torment [basanismos], no rest, day and night.   
   >   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >>   
   >> 2. “Lake of fire is symbolic, so punishment isn’t real”   
   >   
      
   [See below]   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> Symbols communicate truth consistent with their imagery, not the   
   >> opposite.   
   >   
      
   [See above]   
      
   >   
   >>   
   >> 3. “Death removes sin automatically”   
   >>   
   >> Romans 6:7 speaks of union with Christ’s death, not physical death.   
   >   
      
   And notice how the Watchtower liar tried to twist the meaning of all   
   this, as if he didn't realize what he was doing when he promoted the lies:   
      
         “How can we who died to sin still live in it?” (6:2, ESV).   
      
   He says “died to sin,” not will die. The verb is past tense. He speaks   
   of something already true of living believers. The contrast is   
   continuing in sin. A physically dead person cannot “live in” sin. This   
   death addresses sin’s rule, not bodily burial, and it already occurred   
   for those in Christ.   
      
         “Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into   
          Christ Jesus were baptized into his death?” (6:3, ESV).   
      
   He locates this death “into Christ Jesus.” That language describes   
   union. He does not say we will be buried in the ground. He says we were   
   baptized into His death. The verbs are past tense. The focus is   
   completed participation in Christ’s death, not a future physical event.   
      
         “We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in   
          order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead… we too   
          might walk in newness of life.” (6:4, ESV).   
      
   “We were buried.” Past tense. Yet they are alive as he writes. This   
   burial already happened in union with Christ. The purpose clause shows   
   present ethical change: “walk in newness of life.” Physical burial does   
   not enable walking. Union with the risen Christ does, and that union has   
   already taken place.   
      
         “For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we   
          shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his.”   
          (6:5, ESV).   
      
   He uses “have been united.” That is completed action. The argument rests   
   on shared participation with Christ that has already occurred. Physical   
   death unites no one to Christ automatically. Faith-union does, and Paul   
      
   [continued in next message]   
      
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