From: psandje@i-cable.com
"*******-LO**M SALAAM (O881E)" wrote
in message news:2hotbcFf5a94U1@uni-berlin.de...
>
> "selene1022" wrote in message
> news:cfdb308.0405280407.1ed69726@posting.google.com...
> > "FussyKatie" wrote in message
> news:...
> > > FussyKatie: A lot of you on this board seem to like the idea of
> > > Arabs/Muslims being mistreated, but I disagree.
> > >
> > > This is from Counterpunch.org. Thought you might like
> > > to read more of what Limbaugh is telling his hate-
> > > mongers about torture in Iraq.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > No darlin, you're the one who doesn't mind seeing Arabs being
> > mistreated. Saddam has murdered more Arabs than anyone in history. The
> > pro-liberation posters on this board want to see Saddam, Osama and his
> > t buddies defeated--big difference. Now run along. Bet your
> > mommie has a few chores for you. And be careful about what you read on
> > the internet. The type of people who believe that 911 was a conspiracy
> > pulled off by the military-industrial complex run Counterpunch. Total
> > brainrot.
> >
> > JV
>
> It's the same old same old selene: students have discovered the vices of
the
> people who set their agenda back in the 60s: ally yourself with any old
> genocidal villain just as long as you all hate American and England.
Orwell,
> contrary to Rennie rantings, was onto this very early.
> I've just spent a week in Brighton and one day went in a charming little
> shop that sold musical instruments (mainly exotic ones) I was buying my
g/f
> a little accordion. Anyway, the man running it was very new age, very left
> and aged about 50. He was soon into a rant against America, England, the
> British empire, christianity, civilisation and even reason itself. Behind
> him, on a wall, was a w great poster of Castro in his more youthful
> days, lighting a cigar. Yeah, I tittered all right. I asked him how he
could
> be selling such a nice little accordion so cheap and he told me it was
> because it was made in China by people on about forty quid a month. I
asked
> him why didn't he boycott the selling of slave-made musical instruments,
but
> between his coughing and his mobile going off I never did get to the
bottom
> of it.
>
>
>
Hypocrisy has been around since the beginning of time and let he or she who
is without sin throw the first stone.
The behaviour outlined by Robbie is worthy of comment and I think Robbie did
the right thing in asking that difficult question about wages in Chinese
sweat shops. Although of course 40 quid a month is better than 0 quid a
month and precise comparisons are rather difficult to make because 40 quid
goes much further in China than it does it Brighton.
However, this and the childish tendency of some to rant as a spontaneous
reflex to any mention of the Bush, Blair, or the British Empire does not
excuse what has been going on in Iraq. It is well known that being in a
position of power over a captive can corrupt the guard and any prison needs
checks, balances and systematic controls to reduce this influence as much as
possible. It is clear that these were not in place and this together with
other forces (I suspect exposure to internet BDSM pornography) has led to
the rather distasteful photographs we have seen. None of this can be
dismissed in the Rush Limbaugh manner as being no worse than a fraternity
ragging.
My concern is that it will be the grunts that get punished while the middle
and senior ranks - who should have put the systematic controls in place -
won't suffer too much.
Paul Stables
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