From: JANERYREVESY@KIIIIIIIIIIIP.COM   
      
   "Pete Bayle"  wrote in message   
   news:8d9486cd.0405281522.485caff7@posting.google.com...   
   > John Rennie wirtes to Robbie:   
   >   
   > > You, of course,   
   > > have absolutely no knowledge of this or any other aspect of war.  You   
   have   
   > > never been to war, you have never been bombed.    All you do is spout   
   > > venomous rubbish as do Bayle and Selene.    Between you you have   
   conducted a   
   > > putsch on poor old George Orwell - how he would have been revolted by   
   all   
   > > your views.   
   > >   
   > >   Do not respond to this post.  I am not interested in your reaction to   
   my   
   > > views.   
   >   
   > We have increasingly see this nonsensical argument about knowledge and   
   > war, used by the left. Interesting rhetorical ploy that unfrotunately   
   > for them doesn't work and in fact backfires.   
   >   
   > In John's case he was told a story in a bar - i.e. he has knowledge.   
   > But Robbie doesn't. Sure Johnnie boy. IIRC our John spent his military   
   > service at an air base in the UK - essentially in peacetime as he   
   > admits.   
   >   
   > No let us conduct a little thought experiment. Let us list in order   
   > the credentials of those posters on abgo in order of Rennie's category   
   > - knowledge of war.   
   >   
   > 1. George Orwell - himself.   
   >   
   > 2. Ballyvarra - I'm guessing but carrying an AK-47 in Iraq places him   
   > second.   
   >   
   > 3. Bayle - flying direct support for the Sixth Fleet, in hostile air   
   > and sea space against an harrasing enemey which was ultimately dealt   
   > with by violent terms. Who hated the military to be fair.   
   >   
   > 4. John Rennie - stationed at an airbase and listening to stories in   
   > pubs - I have my own stories heard in pubs John. I would certainly be   
   > glad to up you in the list if I've mischaracterized your experience.   
   >   
   > 5. As far as I know there isn't a five.   
   >   
   > As you can see this argument goes nowhere. None of us, from 3 down at   
   > least, really have much personal knowledge. (Note that this is   
   > different from knowledge of history - which many of us do have - and   
   > some know more military than others. And of course if our pascifist   
   > friends wish to grant superior respsct to military service I would   
   > galdly recieve their esteem.)   
   >   
   > Yet for someone like Rennie, with no personal experience or knowledge   
   > of "war", to attempt to trump Robbie in this way is pathetic. Even   
   > assuming that it's relevant who is Rennie to argue the claim, let   
   > alone lecture on the outcome. Other than the fact of course that   
   > Rennie's friends are war criminals. Burying living enemy soldiers -   
   > nice. Worse than penis pictures Johnnie, far worse.   
   >   
   > There is nothing worse than being lectured and called a rascist by an   
   > old communist who supported the exermination of millions of people,   
   > including the Tatars and other ethinc minorities, and then becomes a   
   > peacenik in the face of a real threat.   
   >   
   > "Do not respond to this post.  I am not interested in your reaction to   
   > my views." orders comrade Rennie.   
   >   
   > Excuse me if I can't take old corrupted fools like Rennie seriously.   
   > Yet we on the other hand are interest in Rennie's view: as examples   
   > par excellance of wanky left pathology.   
      
   Yep, a communist bank manager... It's like taking a lecture of a   
   Muggletonian or a Jehovah's Witness...   
      
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