From: gonzo@nomail.net   
      
   Moyehoist  wrote:   
      
   > We got off to a good start - I agree with you that necklacing is torture.    
   But   
   > now you have lost me between that and nude photos.   
   You seem to believe that the people on the photos have suffered nothing   
   apart from being photographed. A large number of testimonies from   
   prisoners tell a different story.  Innocent people being - yes-   
   tortured.   
   >   
   > Let's go a step at a time.  Does not torture involve unbearable physical pain   
   > that is on the verge of life threatening?  Or at least such anxiety that one   
   > would prefer to be dead?   
      
   Indeed that is one possible definition. Even by that one I findit proven   
   that systematic  tortured has taken place, and that many have not   
   survived it.   
   And I find it extremely likely that this torure has been and is   
   systematic and takes place on the authority of the highest commanders;   
   Rumsfeld et al.   
   --   
   jan bojer vindheim   
   http://vindheim.net   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)