From: gonzo@nomail.net
Moyehoist wrote:
> Jan Bojer Vindheim wrote:
> >
> >1) I have no reason to believe that all the prisoners ( or the larger
> >aprt of them) are "terrorists", or indeed that they have taken part in
> >resistance to the illegal occupation of their country by american-led
> >forces.
>
> It is true that these were terrorists.
How do you know ?
> You might define them as insurgents but
> that places you on the side opposing us.
>
> 2) I am sure that they have not suffered torture.
> >Even by your definiton - grievous bodily harm - there is heavy torture
> >going on: mutilation, rape, electrical shocks, beatings - authorized
> >from the top.
>
> There were photos of prisoners that thought the wire were connected to power
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> but they were not.
>
> Also, I do not recall seeing any mutilation or rape photos.
You dont believe in torture unless its documented by photographs?
>There were some beatings but I believe this prisoner resisted guards as
>he was raping a young man.
Are you serious?
> I don't like your politics and I don't like your comforting our enemy. I live
> 30 minutes from the world trade center and we will use all means necessary to
> prevent a repeat.
I sure don't like the USAnian attitude to the rest of the world.
What the fuck do thousands of Iraqi prisoners have to do with the WTC?
Even if you beieve that Saddam was connected to the al qaedea (which he
was not) you would have ahard time connecting the general population
with that organization or its creed.
>But to return to Orwell:
>
> >According to your quaint definition of torture Winston Smith was not
> >tortured by the rat-cage until the rats actually bit him.
>
> Sorry, gnawing rats in near proximity of eyeballs is a subset of my
> universe of torture. Its absurd for you to compare this to naked photos.
What about german shepherds in close proximity to genitals ?
>
> > The purpose of torture is not so much to infligt pain as to degrade,
> >humiliate and dehumanize the prisoners.
> No, the purpose of this SITE is for leftist newspeak to degrade and
> humiliate.
You still have a problem with language. This is not a SITE it's a
newsgroup. If you don't like ti here, go away.
>
> >As most observers do, I believe that american atrocities and general
> >insensitivy in Iraq has already significantly increased recruitment to
> >Al Qaeda and similar groups, and is significantly increasing the
> >probability of furure terrorist activities all over the world.
>
> Don't humor yourself. The only american atrocity is back stabbers that
> provide comfort to our enemy. And perhaps you do not see that since the
> humiliation of these mysogenist blasphemers that kill for the reward of
> group sex in heaven, there has been a DECREASE in attacks on coalition
> forces. Perhaps they see that the reward for cowardly attacks is
> compromising photos by boyish female US soldiers.
>
> And you certainly do not see that we have ravaged the ranks of Al Qaeda
> and Sadam's madmen. But then you would have us believe that war is peace.
Actually this belief seems to be a subset of your hegemonistic
propaganda. I certainly do not believe that military invasion of a
foreging country cinstutes peace.
The ting is that american atrocitiesincreases the rage in the arab and
mullim world. Al Qaeda had little presence in Iraq before the invasion,
They are now all over the place.
--
jan bojer vindheim
http://vindheim.net
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