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   On 27 Jul 2004 12:12:21 -0700, pete_bayle@yahoo.com (Pete Bayle)   
   wrote:   
      
   >Kev Sparrow  wrote in message news:<   
   socg0lr4m4d0b72lqmfhaujqevtne3dqo@4ax.com>...   
   >> On 27 Jul 2004 06:36:50 -0700, moyehoist@aol.com (Black Minorca   
   >> Pullets) wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >He certainly heard lots of nice, warm , fuzzy things about the Workers   
   >> >Paradise during his younger years but in the end, he obviously   
   >> >dedicated his life to exposing those who committed the greatest   
   >> >genocide of the century as well as exposing those that covered it up.   
   >> >   
   >> >BMP   
   >>   
   >> I think he was concerned in the direction liberal democracy was going   
   >> more than anything. I certainly dont think he was a rabid   
   >> anti-communist, I mean what a massive depature for him if he was. I   
   >> mean, its like saying all his literay works and beliefs were false.   
   >   
   >I'd be interested to know how you would describe "the direction   
   >liberal democracy was going". And why Orwell was concerned? As well as   
   >some specific quotes or cites if you have them.   
   >   
   >In 1945 the Labor Party achieved power via elections in a "liberal   
   >dmeocracy" and they had power before didn't they?   
   >   
   >I have posted links to articles from the early 30s in the US claiming   
   >that liberal democracy was becoming close to fascism. Is this the kind   
   >of thing you think Orwell was thinking?   
      
   I think 1984 could be seen as an allegory against the worst excesses   
   of capitalism, as well as Fascist and Communist Totalitarianism. It   
   pains me to see his name being used as an attack on *any* form of   
   Socialism and as a apologist for Capitalism, but his books (especially   
   Animal Farm and Homage) rail against the authortarianism implicit in   
   the Comintern-led Communist Parties, but he still holds his Socialist   
   beliefs.   
   Perhaps he did reject his egalitarian principles later in life, and   
   perhaps 1984 should be seen as attacking Stalinism and Socialism   
   together, rather than just Stalinism and not Socialism. I am no expert   
   on Orwell though. What do you think?   
      
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