From: b5nkateNOSPAM@hotmail.com   
      
   On 31 Jul 2004 17:57:41 -0700, moyehoist@aol.com (Black Minorca   
   Pullets) wrote:   
      
   >Kev Sparrow  wrote in message news:<   
   frlg09g04n3aqhh8r94sn7cb5map3b1fv@4ax.com>...   
   >> On 30 Jul 2004 02:23:33 GMT, moyehoist@aol.com (Moyehoist) wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >> Americans aren't misunderstood, they are simply disliked.   
   >> >>   
   >> >   
   >> >yes and passionately  so by German fascists, Russian bolshevics, Japanese   
   >> >imperialists, and fundamentalist terrorists.Familiararity breeds contempt   
   and   
   >> >we have an unfailing ability to make the point of our foot very knowing of   
   the   
   >> >butts of depots of all pursuasions.   
   >> >   
   >> >bmp   
   >> >   
   >> >bmp   
   >>   
   >> What gives you the moral right to do that? You have none, the same as   
   >> Iraq had no right to invade Kuwait. Keep your greedy mind, oil cartels   
   >> & fat cats and abusive army away from countries you dont understand.   
   >>   
   >> Its amazing that there are so many rabid right-wingers on an Orwell   
   >> newsgroup, the same man who fought with the POUM (a Trotskyist group)   
   >> against facism because he felt deeply enough about his principles and   
   >> was worried the way the world was going. He risked his life fighting   
   >> anti-egalitarian fascists. I dont know, and I dont profess to be an   
   >> expert on Orwell like some of you here (but the more I read I am not   
   >> so sure you are), but I reckon if he was alive today would be *very*   
   >> anti-bush and totally against the new-imperialism coming out of the   
   >> USA today, and is in all probability turning in his grave.   
   >   
   >Very predictable.   
   >   
   >But we all know that Orwell had his epiphany after Spain.   
   >   
   >When will you have yours?  And you do know that Orwell did not spend   
   >his life fighting "anti egalitarian fascists" but he did spend the   
   >last part of his life trying to earn a crumb after being hunted and   
   >blacklisted by leftists.   
   >   
   >He also devoted his life to compiling a list of commies and usefull   
   >idiots that were responsible the the biggest genocide of the 20th   
   >century in Ukraine and it was committed by communists and covered up   
   >by the "long noble tradition of the left"   
   >   
   >And why do you think the only label for an anitcommunist is "fascist"   
   >And what is imperialistic about vengence for the World Trade Center?   
   >It has nothingto do with morals - there are simply visciously evil   
   >people that kill hundreds of thousands to millions and they must be   
   >smitten.   
   >   
   >And Martha, your right- your not in Kansas anymore. The left has lost   
   >its monopoly to information.bmp   
      
   I find it strange that you could be so right wing _and_ like Orwell.   
   Hello?? I came to Orwell from the left, from reading his incisive   
   social commentary. I dont like to see his name and beliefs abused and   
   misrepresented by extreme right wingers. I see his vision of 1984   
   _very_ like what Bush is trying to do with the world; the perpetual   
   war on terror,  the crackdown on civil liberties, the subliminal   
   racism caused against Muslims, Guantanamo bay, an very abusive army   
   (reminds me what the facsists used to do when they invaded Russia, but   
   I expect you think what they did was good as they were   
   anti-bolshevik). If you cant see those parallels, and all you can see   
   is an attack on Socialism instead of Stalinism, I am afraid _you_ are   
   the one who is misguided and very confused. I suppose you think   
   Mcarthyism was beneficial as well?   
      
   There are 'visciously evil' people in the world; people who rip   
   countries to shreds, impose puppet regimes,visciously abuse indigenous   
   peoples and then allow their business interests to guide thier   
   thinking in place of any humanitarian & caring ideas. Sounds like a   
   neo-conservative blueprint, dont you think?   
      
   Time to take a good look at your country, instead of harping on about   
   your confused ideas on the world, because let me tell you, you simply   
   dont understand how it works (unless it involves making a profit). If   
   you solution to 9/11 is to cause even more untold misery and suffering   
   on people who cannot fight back, which is the case, to eradicate civil   
   liberties (patriot act) and so on, then there is something very, very   
   wrong and worrying. Its hardly surprising Americans are treated with   
   the disdain they deserve today. As I said, Orwell is turning in his   
   grave.   
      
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