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   "Black Minorca Pullets"  wrote in message   
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   > "Buffalo"  wrote in message   
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   >> "Moyehoist"  wrote in message   
   >> news:20041010190106.28718.00000622@mb-m05.aol.com...   
   >> > >I had been genuinely interested in your claim about the forged   
   >> > >documents   
   >> >>that the Leftist Media so knowingly used.  That was the documentation I   
   >> >>was   
   >> >>looking for.  If there were forged docs, I'd like to read about that   
   >> >   
   >> > Herr Farouk,   
   >> >   
   >> > It gets much worse than that!  Not only was the good guy poisened with   
   >> > a   
   >> > WMD   
   >> > probably imported from Persia very recently, but the bad guy actually   
   >> > staged an   
   >> > attempt on his life - but it turned out to be more hilarious than the 3   
   >> > stooges.   
   >> >   
   >> > Putins guy was supposed to take a "fall " after getting hit with a   
   >> > "hard   
   >> > object" but some kid came along and whipped an egg at him - and in the   
   >> > confusion, he took the fall and was rushed to the hospital.   
   >> >   
   >> > Yes, Toto, we're not in Kansas anymore we're in a land where Pulitzers   
   >> > rain on   
   >> > those that coverup the biggest genocide of the century.  Where war is   
   >> > peace and   
   >> > , well , you know.   
   >> >   
   >> > And yes, GO longed for the days when the bolshevics would get their   
   >> > due.   
   >> > I am   
   >> > in a good mood after the quip re: you're wife, so here is GO lament on   
   >> > the   
   >> > need   
   >> > for a Communist Nuremburg.   
   >> >   
   >> > "And those who are loudest in denouncing the German   
   >> > concentration camps are often quite unaware, or only very dimly aware,   
   >> > that   
   >> > there are also concentration camps in Russia. Huge events like the   
   >> > Ukraine   
   >> > famine of 1933, involving the deaths of millions of people, have   
   >> > actually   
   >> > escaped the attention of the majority of English russophiles."   
   >>   
   >> This is rather a long way from a lament for the lack of a Nuremberg for   
   >> the   
   >> Left. He's asking for acknowledgement, not retribution. But since you're   
   >> keen on the subject, you could read Martin Amis's "Koba the Dread", a   
   >> recent   
   >> book about Stalin and his crimes, and about the refusal of Western   
   >> liberals   
   >> to take the Stalinist holocaust as seriously as they took the German one.   
   >> It   
   >> was a book that Christopher Hitchens, for one, took exception to, even   
   >> though he and Amis are close friends. But even Amis, angry as he is, is   
   >> not   
   >> asking for retribution. He's just saying that it's about time the Left   
   >> admitted that these horrors happened and that those who committed them   
   >> were   
   >> just as evil as the Nazis. And so they were.   
   >>   
   >> Buffalo   
   >   
   >   
   > Thanks for the recommendation.   
   >   
   > Re: Orwell, I can't imagine that someone who cultivated a list of   
   > communist agents throughout his latter life and then handed it over to   
   > the authorities could be accused of not wanting retribution.   
   >   
      
   I've heard of this "list", but I'm not acquainted with any of the literature   
   about it. Is it beyond doubt?   
   But even if it's true, it's not quite the same thing as retribution. If   
   Orwell peached on Communists or near-Communists it wasn't because he wanted   
   them arrested or wiped out. Post-War Britain wasn't Soviet Russia, or even   
   McCarthy America. He wanted them watched, that's all.   
      
      
   > In fact, we consider Orwell the first Attorney General for the   
   > Communist Nuremburg.   
   >   
   > For the rest of us, it would be a rather hollow and perverse   
   > "acknowledgement" were it not backed by efforts for justice and   
   > retribution. The deaths of 80 million at the hands of leftists   
   > requires far more than "acknowledgement".  Starting with the Lenin   
   > genocides of 1921, the leftists crimes become the prime mover for most   
   > problems in the 20th century.   
   >   
      
   A lot of this might be true, but there is a problem associated with Soviet   
   crimes that doesn't apply to Nazi crimes, or applies to a much smaller   
   extent, which is the low survival-rate of the perpetrators. Just looking at   
   Stalin's notorious police chiefs, we see Yagoda playing a probable role in   
   getting rid of Menzhinsky, Yezhov getting rid of Yagoda, Beria bringing down   
   Yezhov. As the last of Stalin's NKVD chiefs, you might expect Beria at least   
   to survive. But no, even he went in front of the firing-squad when   
   Khrushchev won the battle for the succession. You see  the problem? A lot of   
   ex-Nazis survived into senility, but very few old Bolsheviks of high   
   standing made it to retirement age. Who did you have in mind as your first   
   defendant?   
      
   Buffalo   
      
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