From: me@privacy.org   
      
   moyehoist@aol.com (Moyehoist) wrote in   
   news:20041123231002.07763.00001213@mb-m01.aol.com:   
      
   > I'm glad you enjoyed your visit to Ukraine in the 90's, .   
   >   
   > Its far different from the 30's when my parents fled leaving their   
   > siblings and parents behind.  That was when the democracy loving   
   > kulaks (a tradition carried by the cossacks thru the dark ages) fought   
   > the communists for control of the breadbasket of the world.  The   
   > communists won and besides eliminating 15 million of their enemies,   
   > they poured several trillion in current dollars into their coffers to   
   > buttress their failed experiment. It also spawned someone called   
   > Hitler.   
   >   
   > It is also far different from the first time I visited in 1964.  I   
   > wonder if you met any of my 32 cousins or their 70 odd children.  One   
   > is a leading news commentator in Kiev.   
   >   
   > At the risk of being rude, are you familiar with the Ukrainian   
   > Orthodox Autocephalous Church?  And by catholic, do you mean roman   
   > catholic, greek catholic, byzantine catholic or uniate?   
   >   
   > And what are your thoughts on the mentality that attempted to poison   
   > the leading presidential candidate.  Was the mix of ebola -like   
   > viruses "Russian Orthodox" or "Catholic".  I always thought it was the   
   > blood sucking KGBesque thugs   
      
   > Your attempt to airbrush this 80 year history of Genocide  under the   
   > guise of theological toe-dancing is beneath contempt - and a very poor   
   > execution of Mother Goose Marxism.   
   >   
   > Don't quit your day job.   
   >   
   > bmp   
      
   Did you misinterprete something? No one 'air-brushed' anything, not the   
   "harvest of death" [to use Conquest's term] and de-khulakization of the   
   early '30's nor the present western catholic/eastern orthodox tension in   
   the country (as a Roman Catholic I could never tell the difference in what   
   kind of Catholic mass I was attending in Kiev anyway, Uniate I think). I   
   merely stated the truth, western Catholic Uke's vs Eastern Uke's. KGB or   
   whatever, the presidential candidate you so love was a major appartchik in   
   the Ukraine in the 80's as were many of his supporters in parliament.   
   Unlike other commies perhaps he had a change of heart and is truly   
   democratic or he's cynically manipulating western and progressive Ukes.   
      
   You're partially correct in that most of the ex-commies are orthodox-type   
   Ukes from the central and eastern parts of the country. It doesn't detract   
   at all from the fact that it's never been a democracy nor that the ex-   
   commies aren't interested in marxism but maintaining power and could care   
   less whether it came from lenin, the dollar or black market smuggling.   
      
   Mother Goose Marxism? ROFLMAO! What was I doing 'visiting' Ukraine? Setting   
   up the US Embassy's Defense Attache Office and then working for the US   
   Defense Attache. The Uke Ministry of Defense and intel service weren't   
   interested in marxist bullshit. They were interested in keeping Russian   
   hands off the fleet and determined they could mine the US for aid and   
   dollars. My "day job" now consists of working in the Russian section of a   
   fed agency. You need to update your anger portfolio. ;-)   
      
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