From: me@privacy.org   
      
   moyehoist@aol.com (Moyehoist) wrote in   
   news:20041124073547.05947.00000730@mb-m19.aol.com:   
      
   > Now that we have established credentials,   
   > how is it that someone of your pedigree should propose that this   
   > election is "Catholic" vs "Orthodox".   
   >   
   > This simply is not true and the first thing we can establish is that   
   > the vast majority of Ukes are not church goers.   
   >   
   > The second fact is that millions of Ukes in the "russian " East are in   
   > the streets fighting this ham handed attempt by the russians to take   
   > control of the "breadbasket of europe" again.   
   >   
   > If you are Roman Catholic, I respect your faith but this the tanks and   
   > thugs that might kill Ukrainians today are not "Orthodox"   
   >   
   > This claptrap has been circulated by some State Dept types in the past   
   > - particularly those responsible for the Chicken Kiev sentiments of   
   > the 90's   
   >   
   >   
   > bmp   
      
   Of course the tanks wouldn't be "Orthodox". The point is the government   
   has its support in the eastern provinces, which happen to be Orthodox and   
   contain a large Russian population as well. When I was there the Uke   
   government wouldn't allow US gov't employees access to the more western   
   provinces, Lvov for example was strictly off limits. I saw first hand the   
   tensions between eastern and western Ukraine during its first anniversary   
   of independence.   
      
   It would be more accurate to substitute western instead of Catholic and   
   eastern instead of Orthodox. The eastern provinces of course being   
   predominately orthodox and [tellingly] with a large Russian population.   
   Actual church attendance of course has little to do with it, more   
   precisely it's the fact western Ukes were more "Westernized" in a   
   cultural sense and more nationalistic [and happened to be pre-dominately   
   Catholic].   
      
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