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|    David Dineen-Porter (Friend) to Moyehoist    |
|    Re: Canada's Paternalistic Left Guilty o    |
|    05 Dec 04 01:20:23    |
      From: teliok@hotmail.com              What a bizzare sentiment. Such equations between liberalism (the USA is       founded on liberal doctrine, you realize. Libertas, freedom.. in latin.       The basis of the US constitution is liberalism.. don't forget) and stalinism       (which by the end of WW2, was an ultranationalistic tyrrany, similar to the       USA's current governmental system) is jsut bizzare.              Also, canada didn't and couldn't possibly kill of 100 million natives.       There have never been that many in north and south america combined. It's       certainly true that there is a higher suicide rate among Canada's native       population, but there is a higher suicide rate among poor minorities       everywhere.              As far as pure murder of natives goes, the american "indian wars" i think       set the example of savage and pointless slaughter. Canada's "indian wars"       were.. oh wait, canada had no indian wars. Canada opted for treaties and       reservations.. restricting alcahol access, kidnapping children and raising       them in boarding schools.. yep.. canada has done just about every bad thing       to the natives, except hunt them to near extinction. That was the US       cavalry's approach.              Now, in canada, there are large areas of Native Self government. It's       interesting to note that in those areas in BC, and the former NW       territories, the suicide rates aren't dropping significantly.              Also, lastly, and this should be clear to ANYONE. The weblink you posted is       by no means an authoritative information source. You can't just read       someone's personal opinion website and then use that as some sort of       "Evidence" of your anti-canadian racism.              Xenophobia is silly. So many americans I meet call canadians socialists...       why? Why? Have you ever been to canada? Do you know what it's like here?       You really think it's all that different from the USA? canadians like to       deceive themselves, but the only difference between canada and the USA is       that in canada, we have very middling quality healthcare available for free       to everyone, whereas in the USA you have extremely high quality health care,       available to some at a high cost.              Other than that, i gotta say, it's basically the same. We're both       freemarket capitalist societies. Infact, Ontario, where I live, has some of       the lowest regulations on business of any political area in north america.       it's beaten only by Texas in terms of pollution laws! Only texas has more       relaxed pollution laws than ontario, that's right, in canada! clearly, we       stalinists, we socialists, are so concerned about managing the economy that       we let agribusinesses spray with chemicals that are outlawed in most of the       50 american states, but in ontario, go ahead, buy our apples, you'll be       eating poisons that haven't been used in europe EVER (banned from the day       they were invented).              Anyone who calls canada socialist is RETARDED, strictly speaking. Canada is       a smaller, more boring, clone of the USA. Populated by ignoramuses who       somehow think they are NOT like americans, while they guzzle coke and stuff       burgers down their maws. "I hate george bush" says a woman from Kitchener,       "and why are gas prices so high? Who can afford these prices?! They should       lower them. Oh well, at least I don't live in the states... "              The canada vs. america thing is totally contrived, and part of a nationlist       agenda. Nationlism is stupid, it has no basis in anything, and if you find       yourself defending political bodies against other political bodies without       any real information, take a breath, stop, walk away, and kill yourself.                     "Moyehoist" |
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