From: me@privacy.org   
      
   moyehoist@aol.com (Moyehoist) wrote in   
   news:20041126093750.06439.00001090@mb-m18.aol.com:   
      
   >>Why was Welles particularly on the list? I have no   
   >>idea, but it probably stems from the fact that he thought those soft   
   >>on Stalin were dangerous because Stalinism was dangerou   
   >   
   > Bingo - By your own definition, you have included everyone to the   
   > political left of the guy standing on the right side of the Roosevelt   
   > administration photo, icludingh Roosevelt.   
   >   
   > ERGO, Orwell's list included plain vanilla liberals who were soft on   
   > Stalin which includes the whole universe of the left in the 50's.   
      
   My original statement was he'd turn over in his grave if he knew of the   
   right's co-opting of his name [the inference is the right used it to   
   attack any brand of socialism]. He loathed capitalism and the right and   
   stated it openly. I can't remember he wrote it but in 1946, with a   
   suspicious glance at the right he considered totalitarianism of the left   
   the more important battle in the post-WWII world. I don't personally have   
   an ax to grind on this, I just take him at his word.   
      
   >>Holding the view you do I wonder if you've ever read his non-Animal   
   >>Farm/1984 output. Here are some online links of his essays, articles   
   >>and books:   
   >>   
   >  I have read them all and if you want to discuss nuances, what of   
   >  Orwell's own   
   > racism and nationalism?   
   >   
   > When I go to a Floyd concert, I don't want to hear Umma Gumma.  I want   
   > ot hear the toe tapping stuff (?!??!).   
      
   I don't know, I think "Why I Write", "Homage to Catalonia", "Politics and   
   the English Language", et. al., are as high or higher in quality than AF   
   or 1984. They are the source for what I wrote originally for his feelings   
   on socialism and the right. Again, I take him at his word.   
      
   > Therefore, lets discuss GO with regard to his principal stuff - and   
   > then we find that he was in fact the most outspoken author of the   
   > leftist relativism that is responsible for the fall of the West during   
   > the last century.   
   >   
   > Sorry - have to go - Revolution against Big Brother  in Ukraine and   
   > all that stuff.   
   >   
   > (Fascinating that I have been railing in anticipation of these Commie   
   > bastards for the past year and half)   
   >   
   > bmp   
      
   I'm not sure how someone can discuss that Orwell is a closet convervative   
   without noticing his other writings [including near the end of his life]   
   where he clearly states he remained a socialist and suspicious of the   
   right. Sticking to AF and 1984 would paint a one dimensional picture of   
   one of the great writers of the last century.   
      
   Good luck to Yushchenko and all, but I'm horribly sceptical of reforms   
   east of Poland. Hopefully I can look back and say I was wrong to be   
   worried.   
      
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