From: sheepdoctor@hotmail.com   
      
   It's really quite extraordinary how John Rennie's rant--see 'A Dead   
   Newsgroup'--ignores common sense utterly and denounces those who disagree   
   with John Rennie as a racists, 'rightists' and 'not genuine'. This of course   
   is not so extraordinary when you realise that John has the tragic gift of   
   Marxist distortion at his disposal. I'll leave it to other readers to judge   
   whether it is wise or sensible to view the world that way when one is   
   approaching one's eighth decade.   
     Some points: it should be quite obvious that Bayle, even if you disagreed   
   with him and two-fisted as he often was, *was* 'genuine'- why else would he   
   argue so often and at such length? Because he's really a lefty?   
     This became a dead newsgroup not because of 'racists' and 'rightists' but   
   because the majority of people here were left in an untenable position over   
   9/11 and Iraq. We saw some antics here from people renowned for their   
   left-wing jurisprudence and seemingly committed to an Orwelline hatred of   
   totalitarianism and bullshit and those elements within a culture --writers,   
   artists, academia and power-seeking politicians--who are are particularly   
   susceptable to bullshit and totalitarianism. Those antics made me come to   
   believe that their jurisprudence was priggery and their seeming commitment   
   against totalitarianism was mostly cant. The wrong end of the telescope view   
   that has become so common.   
    The lies the Left have dealt in--especially since the terrorist mass-murder   
   in London last week--beggar belief. That there are people earning good solid   
   English pound sterling writing in English newspapers that the war in Iraq is   
   responsible for that particular slaughter makes me feel a bit giddy.   
    I can't be bothered to trawl through the archives of this newsgroup but I   
   wouldn't mind betting that some finger-wagging member of the Left denounced   
   the invasion of Iraq as wrongheaded because Islamic Fascist Terrorism and   
   the barbarous, cruel and tyrannical regime of Saddam Hussein had no known   
   links. I also wouldn't mind betting that whoever said that will at some   
   point in the last week blithely said that the London bombings were the   
   payback for Iraq and if the Allies would just.... This is the   
   sitting-on-a-shitpot-in-nappies level of insight the Left brings to debate   
   on the subject.   
    I presume that like that cretinous monster George Galloway you salute   
   Saddam's indefatigability?   
    In the final the analysis the Iraq invasion may well have been bungled and   
   those of us who reluctantly supported it may be proved wrong but when I see   
   the people on the Left sneering at people willing who risked being blown to   
   pieces by fascist terrorists (that the Marxist BBC calls insurgents) so they   
   can exercise their right to vote I think that the Left is tragically failing   
   to grasp the challenges of the 21st century.   
    It may turn out though that you, John, are wrong and that the invasion was   
   the start of a road away from the political chaos, corruption, tyranny,   
   serfdom, dictatorship and casual slaughter of the Islamic world. Gaddafi's   
   folded- democracy has a chance in Iraq and voices raised in Iran- do you   
   want to see Iran with a nuclear factory? Do you think that Islamic Fascist   
   Terrorists would now *not* be in the market for a nuclear dirty bomb if the   
   allies hadn't invaded Iraq? If you think that then you are in a state of   
   terrible ignorance.   
    Though arguments here about what George Orwell would have thought about   
   current events were always frowned upon (it was only a parlour game to me,   
   but it seemed to rattle some people) it seems quite obvious that he would   
   have have realised that the growth of Islam in the west--and those on the   
   left that wish to pander to them--is inimical to western civilisation as it   
   stands, let alone the kind of society that Orwell wished for. He would have   
   been sharply critical of the Left's pandering in this matter and quick to   
   denounce his old adversary: the lefties that despise their own culture and   
   side with all sorts of villainy and tyranny to that end- see Galloway and   
   the Guardian and the BBC on any given day.   
    You call me a 'rightist'- it's true I'm conservative about some things and   
   radical and progressive about others: I fail to see how any intelligent   
   person in touch with reali life could be otherwise in this epoch.   
    You also call me a racist. Yes, I once used the word 'nigger' on this   
   newsgroup and did so in a spirit of anger and defiance of political   
   correctness and priggery and also in exasperation at a certain kind of   
   behaviour I see every day from Afro-Caribbean males and which I find   
   repugnant and which bedevils the lives of people less robust than me and   
   which the organised Left pretends doesn't exist or if it does acknowledge   
   it, blames it on 'white culture'. I reject the official Left's view of this.   
    I am not a racist, however I feel that a full and frank discussion of the   
   realities of a multiracial society and the political project of   
   multiculturalism and the implications of a growing Muslim population would   
   be very useful but once again the Left falls silent and the BBC, which has   
   elected itself a sort of Ministry of Truth, actively stifles and strangles   
   debate and distorts the truth.   
    I am not a racist but I will never be railroaded into the kind of US Campus   
   Political Correctness, nor will I recognise the political language invented   
   by the Left to control debate on important subjects. That's what I have   
   always maintained here and that's what you don't like. Tough. Think up   
   coherent arguments instead of playground swipes and non-sequiters.   
      
   ROBBIE   
      
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