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   GERTY MACDOWELL to Martha Bridegam   
   Re: /M and Orwell Eton/Wellington and Eg   
   08 Aug 05 08:25:37   
   
   From: G@M.COM   
      
   "Martha Bridegam"  wrote in message   
   news:lzyJe.1849$Z87.1402@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...   
   > GERTY MACDOWELL wrote:   
   > > "Martha Bridegam"  wrote in message   
   > > news:4otJe.101$dk5.78@newssvr21.news.prodigy.com...   
   > >   
   > >>Max wrote:   
   > >>   
   > >>>Martha Bridegam wrote:   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>>Martha Bridegam wrote:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>>Robbie wrote:   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>>>I hereby say that I was wrong and Ms Bridegam was right in our   
   > >>>>>>disagreement.   
   > >>>>>>Or that Ms Bridegam was more right than I was. According to DJ   
   Taylor   
   > >   
   > > he   
   > >   
   > >>>>>>fancied sending Richard to Eton but DJ Taylor thinks his name was   
   > >>>>>>actually   
   > >>>>>>put down for Wellington.   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>Cheers!   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>Nick   
   > >>>>>>--   
   > >>>>>>Wasn't Canonbury Secondary Modern though was it?...   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>>   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>>Thx. Yes, I had it in my head that it was Wellington but that didn't   
   > >>>>>seem to make sense because GO didn't like it there very much himself.   
   > >>>>>   
   > >>>>>/M   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>Parbety, who some here will recall is a strong critic of Mr. Taylor's,   
   > >>>>supplies the correct school. It was Westminster. I've double-checked   
   in   
   > >>>>the CW and there it is: letter to Frederic Warburg (who was a graduate   
   > >>>>of same), 4 August, 1949, CW Vol. XX, Item 3672:   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>"Cranham Lodge,   
   > >>>>Cranham,   
   > >>>>Gloucester.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>Dear Fred,   
   > >>>>Thanks so much for your letter. I'm glad you had a good holiday. I am   
   > >>>>so-so -- I have been rather poorly with a touch of pleurisy the last   
   few   
   > >>>>days, but better on the whole. Richard is going back to Jura on the   
   > >>>>15th, as the village school to which he is going next term will be   
   > >>>>re-opening about the end of the month. I have put him down for   
   > >>>>Westminster, but as he wouldn't in any case go there till 1957 it is a   
   > >>>>very tentative arrangement. I hope Michael caught some fish even if   
   > >>>>there weren't any trout.   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>Love to all   
   > >>>>George"   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>Davison discusses Orwell's decision about Richard in endnotes to Item   
   > >>>>3645, including, understandably, that "...Orwell did not want him to   
   go   
   > >>>>to a boarding school until he was ten."   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>In Item 3647, a June 1949 letter to Julian Symons, he writes, "...I   
   have   
   > >>>>been thinking about Westminster for him when he is older. They have   
   > >>>>abandoned their top hats, I learn. It is a day school, which I prefer,   
   &   
   > >>>>I think has other good points. Any way I'm going to make enquiries &   
   put   
   > >>>>his name down if it seems suitable. Of course god knows what will have   
   > >>>>happened by then, say 1956, but one has to plan as though nothing   
   would   
   > >>>>change drastically..."   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>Hope this helps,   
   > >>>>   
   > >>>>/M   
   > >>>   
   > >>>   
   > >>>Perhaps Taylor is unfamilar with the CW.   
   > >>>   
   > >>>Max   
   > >>>   
   > >>   
   > >>To be fair, Mr. Taylor didn't say anything incorrect: he just said that   
   > >>"In Orwell, on the other hand, the prospect of parenthood awakened an   
   > >>odd, formal side. According to Lettice Cooper, the two things he wanted   
   > >>for his son were a cream perambulator with a gold line round the side of   
   > >>the kind pushed by Edwardian nannies, and to have his name put down for   
   > >>Eton...."   
   > >>   
   > >>Looks to me like if Mr. Taylor made an error it was in failing to   
   > >>suggest that Mr. Orwell might have had a more developed sense of irony   
   > >>than did Ms. Cooper. Isn't it hard to imagine Orwell of all people   
   > >>saying the above with a straight face unless it was a deadpan?   
   > >>   
   > >>/M   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > I think the po-mo, irony-is-all crowd have to be careful here: Orwell   
   dug   
   > > Edwardiana and Victoriana, as did most of his contempories.   
   > >   
   > > ROBBIE   
   > >   
   > >   
   >   
   > "...with a gold line round the side..."? Oh, come on.   
      
   I'm not saying it *isn't*; I can't can I? But he, like Waugh, Betj, Powell,   
   Greene and others, all enjoyed that sort of thing. Powell: 'he was more than   
   half in love with what he was rebelling against.'   
      
      
   >   
   > Found some interesting updates from Taylor over here:   
   >   
   http://www.literati-magazine.com/magazine_features/archive/Vol1-No1/characte   
   r/wigan-pier.html   
   >   
   > /M   
      
   Thanks   
      
   ROBBIE   
      
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