From: messaround@messaround.com   
      
   "Joe Fineman"  wrote in message   
   news:uvexspgwx.fsf@verizon.net...   
   > "selene1022"  writes:   
   >   
   > > "And - to return to Anthony Barnett & Isabel Hilton's article which   
   > > opened this debate - it seems to me that they did not emphasise, as   
   > > they should, the real threat to democracy that is now posed, by the   
   > > steady capture of social territory by the Islamists, for whom   
   > > national loyalty, which tells us to tolerate religious difference,   
   > > is an offence against God.' "   
   >   
   > And, of course, so it is.  And religious loyalty, which tells us to   
   > tolerate national differences, is an offense against country.   
   >   
   > Neither the one or the other, as such, strengthens liberty; each, by   
   > itself, threatens liberty.  But the political need for them to   
   > coexist, which lowers the morale of both, is, I think, what has made   
   > liberty possible in the countries where, for one reason or another, it   
   > has arisen.   
   >   
   > God & country!  Church & state!  To the confusion of our enemies!   
   > --   
      
      
   Do you ever wear a funny hat and sit at the bottom of the garden pretending   
   to fish?   
      
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