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|    Hitchens' Reply    |
|    29 Dec 05 12:11:51    |
      From: y77878g78tg6y767f6f@fdtgs.co              Thanks for your letter. Censoring, I think, would involve suppressing the       FACT that Guy Gibson had a dog of this name. That I would never support.       But is it 'censorship' to object to French Connection's sordid campaign       involving a jumbled F-word on its merchandise? Or to the use of filthy       language on the TV? Or to the transmission on prime time terrestrial TV of       a word which is a filthy insult to a lot of decent British people? It is       very hard to get on to prime time terrestrial TV( I for one am hardly ever       allowed on) precisely because it legitimates what it shows. You may not       realise that BNP supporters, the same sort who wear golliwog badges for a       'joke' . rejoice at the transmission of this ugly word. And I never said       that anyone who opposed the transmission of it would get pleasure out of       hearing it. I said( and I have reproduced the article below so you can       see) that I didn't like the sniggering glee some people show. You place an       interpretation on my words which is not justified by anything I wrote. If       the cap doesn't fit, why wear it?              I am not sure, either , about your use of the phrase 'so close to the war'.       My article is clearly about current attitudes to the war and our refusal,       60 years after it, to acknowledge that area bombing was a filthy, wrong,       unproductive strategy forced on us by our failure to build a proper army,       and to use decent firm diplomacy, in the years 1933 to 1936 when we could       have stopped Hitler. The article is unambiguously directed at those who       watch it ( and praise it ) now and was in fact written partly as a riposte       to an absurd, fulsome feature a few days before in the Daily Mail by       Andrew Roberts, who is about 13 but maintains that the Dambusters is the       best war film ever made. Sorry, but I'm 54, grew up in war-damaged       bomb-scarred Britain (notably Portsmouth) in a Navy family, and I think       that's piffle .              I stopped being a Trotskyist in 1975, which I calculate as 30 years ago. I       view it as an important part of my education and never conceal or deny it       (unlike many Labour people who are still deeply embarrassed by their       Trotksyite or Communist pasts, precisely because they are still influenced       by them), but it's not much of an influence on me in the way you suggest.       You really ought to be more interested in the subsequent 30 years, during       which I've been, in a mild sort of way, in one or two war zones, an       experience much more lasting and influential, as was trying and failing to       get my father to tell me very much about his time on the Russian convoys.       Trotsky was a bloodthirsty monster who believed ends justified means. I       have not moved from Trotskyism to some other all-embracing ideology, but,       having wrestled my way past Arthur Koestler, find solace instead in       Hookerian Anglicanism, which really doesn't have much time for idealists       with remedies. I don't know what you mean by 'hardcore Toryism' but , given       that I excoriate the Useless Tory Party week by week, I think you may need       to reassess your facile summary of my position. What would a 'hardcore       Tory' believe in, exactly? I rather suspect he'd be watching 'The       Dambusters' on a continuous loop.              PH              (article reproduced below)                     WE DON'T need a remake of The Dambusters, and I wouldn't be sorry if       I never saw it again.               I always thought I was pretty keen on my own country, but if you have to       like this film to be considered a patriot, then count me out.               I especially don't like the sniggering glee some people show about the       name       of Guy Gibson's dog.               I don't blame TV executives for bleeping it out when the film is shown       these       days. Who could possibly get any pleasure out of hearing it?               If the British Empire had survived, which I wish it had, it could only       have       done so if civilised people had stamped out the N-word. You do not need to       be       PC to loathe it.               Then there's the war and the way we portray it 60 years on.               The bombing of the German dams was a feat of great bravery and ingenuity.               I have always been lost in admiration for the young men who climbed, night              after night, into Lancaster bombers knowing they were likely to die a       particularly horrible death. I do not think I could have done it.               And the scientist Barnes Wallis was obviously a genius.               But the operation itself does not seem to have been much of a success, and              many of its victims were Eastern European slave workers, prisoners of the       Nazis who looked to us for liberation, rather than death.               As I recall, these details are rather skipped over.               In fact, we have never faced up, as a nation, to the truth about our       bombing       campaign.               We prefer not to know about the horrid carnage of German civilians, too       gruesome to describe here, which our bombs brought about. It is no good       saying they were all Nazis. How can a baby be a Nazi?               This form of warfare resulted from our feebleness and unpreparedness in       the       Thirties. We were complacent and wilfully ignorant about Europe - just as       we       are today.               If we had had a proper army and a proper foreign policy in 1936, Hitler       would have fallen, there'd still be a British Empire, we would not have had              to resort to the savage tactics of aerial bombing and the world would be a       better place.               THERE are far better war films. One is the 1958 epic about Dunkirk, a       box-office flop because it was too truthful, too soon, about the wavering       morale and unreadiness of 1940 Britain.               Another is The Cruel Sea, in which the true ruthlessness and loss of war       is       not avoided.               They don't need to be remade either. But they need to be seen, studied and              understood. Our fathers and grandfathers did not fight and die so that we       could delude ourselves into a boastful new complacency as bad as the one       that       pitched them into a terrible war.              c/o       ROBBIE              --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05        * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)    |
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