From: word_chemist@hotmail.com   
      
   "Martha Bridegam"  wrote in message   
   news:FUXJf.58475$PL5.57249@newssvr11.news.prodigy.com...   
   > ROBBIE wrote:   
   > > "Martha Bridegam"  wrote in message   
   > > news:NQTJf.22210$_S7.5830@newssvr14.news.prodigy.com...   
   > >> Ben Brumfield wrote:   
   > >>> To keep this from drifting off-topic rapidly, let's qualify   
   "terrorism"   
   > >>> with "... which we in the West care about."  Based on that, if you   
   look   
   > >>> at the location within the economic spectrum of the perpetrators of   
   > >>> 9/11 or 7/7, the correlation between terrorism and poverty appears to   
   > >>> be either negative or nonexistent.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> Other than redefining "terrorism" to be something else altogether, do   
   > >>> you have any data whatsoever that disproves that?  I have no doubt   
   that   
   > >>> you can show terrorists originating from societies with a wide gulf   
   > >>> between rich and poor, but I can't imagine you can decribe the   
   > >>> murderous thugs of 9/11 or 7/1 as "poor" by any definition that makes   
   > >>> sense.   
   > >>>   
   > >>> -Ben   
   > >>>   
   > >> Not individually poor, no, but driven by resentments that   
   > >> have to do with the gap between the First and Third Worlds.   
   > >>   
   > >> I am speaking, of course, in an effort to explain, with no   
   > >> wish to condone.   
   > >   
   > > What the Islamic world resents is the first world - everything from its   
   > > cartoons to its architecture. This is not about money, it is about   
   culture.   
   > > Specifically, submission to the koran - that is *all* Islamic societies   
   and   
   > > behaviour are based on - versus, shall we say, our way of going on.   
   > > Redistribution of wealth, the latte Marxists attempts to cuddle up and   
   say   
   > > 'we can kill daddy together', sorting out Welsh buses and burying your   
   head   
   > > in the sand of second tier governance (a fave trick with the W.Left)   
   will   
   > > not make a dime of difference.   
   > >   
   > > ROBBIE   
   > >   
   > >   
   >   
   > That seems awfully reductive. Surely only a small percentage   
   > of the people in those countries are actually rioting,   
      
   And you think everyone else is just waiting for Social Democracy? I don't   
   think so. After all, 40 per cent of *British* Muslims want sharia law.   
      
    and I   
   > am willing to bet that the rioters are unemployed young men   
      
   I saw an awful lot of women carrying 'behead those insult Islam' banners in   
   the London demonstrations.   
      
      
   > whose need for a sense of common effort and purpose is   
   > served by these religious incitements.   
      
   Hey, I'd watch applying your collectivist ideas to them - or anyone else.   
      
   >   
   > BTW, does "latte Marxists" include "Herr Trotsky down at the   
   > Cafe Central," or do you suppose he drank his coffee black?   
      
   No, Latte Marxism is about rich kids who want the good life without guilt   
   and think that glad-handing anyone with a frown will Make It All Go Away So   
   They Can Enjoy Their Epicuranisms in Peaceful Safety and Without A Value   
   Judgement Passing Their Lips.   
      
   ROBBIE   
      
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