From: WORD_CHEMIST@HOTMAIL.COM   
      
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   >   
   > Yes, I realise that targets (measurable objectives) can be manipulated   
   > to some extent by the way in which they are measured. On the other   
   > hand, you really have to set targets for public health objectives, for   
   > example the number of children innocculated, because this is the only   
   > way you can determine whether you are succeeding in meeting goals or   
   > not.   
      
   Yes but you have to accept that if the targets are set by a mandarin class   
   with nothing but power and erroneous information; measured by a corrupt   
   bureacracy in whose interest it is to keep putting out a smooth veneer; and   
   manipulated by an overextended workforce, then they're not worth having.   
      
   >   
   > Of course violence goes unreported everywhere, but are you talking   
   > about information being collected and then suppressed, or just never   
   > collected?   
      
   In the case of the British Crime Survey the figures are nicely compressed by   
   taking only one type of crime from each street. But the major issue is how   
   much rape and violence goes unreported simply because people feel the police   
   are ineffectual. Which they are.   
      
      
    Here in the US we have laws that make it pretty much   
   > mandatory for any health care professional to make reports to law   
   > enforcement or child protection agencies any treatment rendered for   
   > injuries that appear to have been caused by violence. Is the lack of   
   > such laws in the UK one of your concerns?   
      
   My concern is that this great wave of bureacracy and accountability create a   
   sort of parallel world which bears only a slight relation to reality.   
      
      
   >   
   > The reason why I raise the question of comparisons with other countries   
   > is that you have to have some kind of benchmark to see how you are   
   > doing.   
   >   
      
   It can also be dangerous. The past can also be an interesting benchmark; but   
   socialists can't stomach that.   
      
      
   > The NHS in Britain is remarkably successful in many ways. Certainly   
   > life expectancy and perinatal death rates compare favorably with most   
   > of the world. Complaints about the NHS as reported in the newspapers   
   > are nearly always anecdotal in nature   
      
   5000-odd people have been killed each year for the past several years in   
   British hospitals - this offcial figure was slipped out by New Labour when   
   good socialists were marching about Iraq.   
      
      
    and often not based on objective   
   > analysis of available data.   
      
   See above.   
      
    If an anecdote is used to illustrate a   
   > systemic weakness, then that is well and good, but often the underlying   
   > constructive element is missing.   
   >   
   > The Dominican Republic is a very poor country that does not have many   
   > of the advantages of Britain, but its public health system still has   
   > targets for reduction of perinatal deaths, AIDS/HIV incidence, in which   
   > it is making some progress despite lack of resources and a rapidly   
   > growing population. The government is also doing some good work in   
   > improving the infrastructure, especially roads and airports, developing   
   > indigenous manufacturing industry, and sorting out problems in the   
   > distribution of water and electricity, and the disposal of garbage and   
   > sewerage. The education system is sorely lacking, but the children are   
   > universally well socialised, polite, and well behaved.   
      
   Bully for them. In England we have luxury in comparison; but our children   
   are unsocialised, moronic beasts. I wonder what the DR's secret is? Can it   
   be Leftism? In England Leftism has prevailed in teaching for donkey's years,   
   with the result that nobody ever stands up to the kids and unsocialised   
   selfishness is beyond belief.   
      
      
   >   
   > Schools in the UK may have policemen outside, but here in the US it is   
   > the norm that public schools have police officers INSIDE to maintain   
   > order. Sad but true.   
      
   Please do not offer me the 'they're starving in Africa, so eat your greens   
   argument'. It was a speciality of Ms Bridegam's. It's drawbacks are obvious.   
      
    However this fact does not necessarily lead to the   
   > perception that anarchy is only a step away.   
   >   
      
   I never said anarchy *was* a step away. Though wait till England get kicked   
   out the World Cup. What I will say is this: the Socialistic Elite in   
   England: the govt, the BBC, and the majority of the press, believe in your   
   official facts and figures way of interpreting reality. So why quality of   
   life for ordinary people goes down ever further (and a civilized living   
   environment - contrary to those Socialistic Slummers and Mardi-Gras-ers   
   whose life's work has been to throw off the bourgeoise trappings that made   
   them what they are and get down to living in a shit-hole where people are   
   *real*, man) this elite keeps parrotting how things are on the whole getting   
   better. So people, overwhelmingly in England, become cynical of the entire   
   process.   
      
      
   > Overall you give the impression that you have little knowledge of the   
   > world outside of your experience   
      
   You seem to be insinuating that my many years of empirical knowledge of   
   living in the most highly populated and ethnically diverse town in England   
   count for nothing, and your mastery of official bumf is better. I think you   
   are completely wrong.   
      
      
    and that most of your opinions are   
   > delivered at second hand.   
   >   
      
   You seem to be insinuating that I borrow my opinions from newspapers.   
   Another favourite tactic of the unbearably patronizing and wrong-headed Ms   
   Bridegam - I could almost believe she is prompting you via email. I have   
   formed opinions about public affairs since I was a teenager. I have always   
   been sceptical of newspaper opinion since I rapidly worked out when I   
   started work aged 15 that newspapermen have an easy peasy life - no matter   
   what they say - compared to many other people. For example the kind of stuff   
   that finally got written in papers after 7th July 2005 had been commonplace   
   among ordinary people for years previous.   
      
      
      
   > How do you earn your living?   
      
   I distribute leaflets for 6.00 an hour plus I have started to sell small   
   bits of journalism. I am a product of the socialist education system which   
   is prides itself on producing mediocrities - even if they have talent to   
   begin with. Fairer that way, ain't it.   
      
   Are you in any way involved in healthcare,   
   > education, or law enforcement?   
   >   
      
   No. Though only a complete fool would deny the well-informed person his   
   opinion on those matters on the grounds of his not working in them.   
      
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