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> ROBBIE wrote:
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> > >
> > > As far as the grandstanding by the Home Secretary, for that is what it
> > > is, his job should be to address legislative issues, not to pander to
> > > lynch-mob mentality
> >
> > If the judiciary abandons people to the same offenders by giving them
> > ludicrous sentences for serious crimes then a lynch mob mentality will
stir
> > because the judges are not doing ethir job properly.
>
> You are implying that in the UK judges have total discretion to
> determine length of sentence which is unlikely to be the case. What was
> the range of sentencing options open to the judge in this particular
> case, and was the sentence at the upper or lower end of the range. If
> lower, did the judge offer any reasoning?
>
>
> > They, like you, live well and out of what Scott-Fitzgerald called 'the
hot
> > struggles of the poor'. In their desire to feel groovy about themselves
they
> > have unwittingly sentenced poor communities to suffering by returning
those
> > who should not be returned.
>
> I don't live particularly well, though I do not live in discomfort
> either. I have some illegal Mexican itinerant workers living 30 feet
> from my back door, so I am quite aware of what the poor endure.
>
>
> >
> >
> > by attacking the judiciary. How can you support law
> > > and order by second-guessing expert technical decisions that are
> > > subject to the Court of Appeals and ultimately to the Law Lords? As
> > > regards him being a former communist, well, he is also a former
> > > drinker,and as a former smoker myself, I can tell you that there is
> > > no-one so fanatically opposed to smoking as a former smoker.
> > >
> >
> > If that was his case vis a vis Marxism, he'd have joined the other
party.
>
> Not necessarily. There are plenty of former angry young men (e.g. Peter
> Hain) who now have ministerial weight on their middle aged shoulders.
>
> >
> >
> > > Here in Florida for firearms offences, we have 10-20-life, which means
> > > that for offences using a firearm you get a life sentence without
> > > parole for the third offence. (You would presumably have already
served
> > > 30 years prior to this, so I guess you would be well acclimatized to
> > > prison life.) Career criminals also get life without parole for a
> > > third felony. I remember talking to a guy in a high security prison
> > > here who had just had his fortieth birthday, and was a great health
> > > fanatic. On asking him a bit more, I found out that he was determined
> > > to stay in good shape, because he had been locked up since he was 19,
> > > and could not be released until he turned 70, so he wanted to make
sure
> > > that he got out all in one piece with his prostrate and associated
> > > equipment fully functioning.
> > >
> >
> > Like most liberals on the subject of racism or law in England, you hold
up
> > examples from the southern states, as if we had anything like that or
would
> > have anything like that. You must understand your approach to debate is
> > specious and cartoon-like.
>
> I don't think so. I offer real examples and practical solutions to
> consider
I'm note interested in what happens in the southern states of America in
regard to prisons and racism. Call me old fashioned, but I'm not. Most of
what you say is op-ed spin: figures and a bit of shame-making heavy-handed
sentence examples.
. All you offer in endless links to articles that pander to
> your prejudices.
> >
No I have offered reasoned arguments and refutations of some of your spin.
You don't like it. You have, as others here have, decided that I'm a fool
who reads something in a tabloid and decided to go around shouting it. In
this respect you're behaving like one of snobby old patriarchs you lfet
England over.
> >
> >
> > > Would the Canutian-party-of-one approve of an English Sexual Predators
> > > program, or does it have a better idea?
> >
> > They have to be removed from society once they have offended and handled
> > with upmost serious. The evidence suggests this doesn't happen.
> > Rehabilitation doesn't much work, from what I've read.
> >
> Sounds like you actually agree with this example taken from a Southern
> state, as you simply paraphrase the underlying concept of the Florida
> Sexual Predators program, without, as usual, offering any specifics on
> what you would like to see.
I'd like to see men who kidnap babies and have sex with them removed from
society and their threat potential taken seriously by that society.
>
> If you could just free yourself from your four-legs-good-two-legs-bad
> thinking,
Ha! Your own world view is hardly subtle...
which has an almost delusional quality when it comes to what
> YOU perceive as "socialism",
Opinion offered as fact. The modish Left in England have an idea fixe that
it's pointless to punish and lock up dangerous criminals. Their thinking is
gaining ground in the upper echelons of the legal profession. I therefore
contend that socialism in its modern form has become supine in many
important areas. See also the Left's attitude to terrorism/moral equivalency
etc. The Euston Group in England are bunch of less-stupid lefties who have
had to make a public statement that not all lefties are talking Michael
Moore/Chomsky/George Galloway/BBC rubbish about terrorism.
ROBBIE
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