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   > ROBBIE wrote:   
   > > Sorry, but it isn't worth it is it? I think you talk shit and the   
   Guardian   
   > > talks shit. You have me straw-manned up as a fascist. So, it's just not   
   > > worth it.   
   > >   
   > > Maybe old Tom Mason was right in his link.   
   > >   
   > > ROBBIE   
   >   
   > No, I don't think you are a fascist, I just think that you are somewhat   
   > confused. You think you are well informed, but actually your opinions   
   > just mirror whatever you hear in the ambient environment   
      
   No. That's what Ms Bridegam used to insinuate.   
      
   , and are   
   > rarely based on facts.   
   >   
      
   The best you offered was a crime survey and a lot of liberal op-ed.   
      
      
   > For example, you excoriated the judge in the horrible child rape case,   
   > accusing him and other judges of having personal agendas, yet you can   
   > produce no evidence, and a review of the sentence by the relevant legal   
   > authorities, notwithstanding criticism by Patricia Hewitt QC on the Any   
   > Questions radio programme, (who actuallystated that she thought the   
   > judge believed that he was making the correct sentence, but that he had   
   > misinterpreted the guidelines) stood up and no one was able to show   
   > that he had acted improperly.   
   >   
   > For example, you claim that there is a considerable problem in the UK   
   > of people who are victims of violent crime not reporting it to the   
   > police because they have no faith in the police, believing them to be   
   > incompetent and corrupt.   
      
   I never said that. I said there is public apathy about reporting petty   
   crime. And there is. I live here; you don't.   
      
      
    However you admit that you yoursefl would go   
   > to the police if you were a victim of a violent crime. Furthermore, you   
   > refuse to seriously consider how this problem, assuming it exists,   
   > might be addressed, for example by mandatory reporting of knife and   
   > bullet wounds, alleged rape, or apparent domestic violence, when   
   > treated by doctors--as is the case here in the USA.   
      
   My argument was wider. You seized upon one side of it because you thought   
   you stood the best chance of 'winning'. But you see you won;t win because I   
   live in London and you live in Florida. You tune in from a distance and have   
   the reality mediated by The Guardian and the BBC - both lib-left shysters   
   when it comes to social problems.   
      
      
   >   
   > I am sorry to bang on about these topics which have already been given   
   > a good airing, but it is just that this newsgroup is supposed to be   
   > devoted to the works of George Orwell, oor at least to topics somewhat   
   > relevant, however tangentially, to his ideas, not to whatever has   
   > pissed off ROBBIE today. Why don't you get your own Web page where you   
   > can post links to things that interest you, instead of hijacking this   
   > newsgroup and effectively preempting it as a forum for discussion of   
   > Orwell?   
   >   
      
   Like I said: I think you talk complete shit, stoked by the shit in the   
   Guardian/bbc. You think I do. So I'll ignore you and you ignore me.   
      
   ROBBIE   
      
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