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   "Martha Bridegam"  wrote in message   
   news:PnSVg.14071$7I1.2796@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...   
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   > I can't figure it. On Thursday you were a conservative   
      
   No I wasn't.   
      
      
    arguing that   
   > "common"   
      
   I never said "common" women. Aside to the Rest of the Newsgroup: Lawyer, eh?   
      
    >women should learn (what?)   
      
   Let's face it: the journalist, though silly in some ways, had had a more   
   succesful life and career than her new mates. Statistically her kids will   
   too. That says to me that they stand to learn more from her than she from   
   them.   
      
    from the example of a clueless   
   > middle-class neighbor.   
      
   What do you mean by 'clueless'?   
      
      
    >Now you say you're "common" yourself   
      
   I was being ironic though I am pretty common. Someone picked me up on my   
   mispronunciation of pronunciation the other weekend.   
      
      
    and you're   
   > conferring "socialist pity," whatever that is.   
      
   I would say socialist pity is to do with working out just how much a   
   person's misfortune is generated by themselves or external factors. Now we   
   all know that conservatives think a person's misfortune is all their own   
   fault - if it isn't then it becomes an injustice, which is worrisome to   
   (some of) them. However, the journalist in the story would be better off   
   saying: if you want to stay poor, die prematurely and have sociopathic   
   children keep on being wilfully ignorant. If you yourself had lived as they   
   do you'd hardly be in a position to help yourself never mind anyone else.   
      
   Mordern socialists haven't helped much because their prescription for   
   education was the comprehensive model of the 70s - which I went through -   
   and that was crap. Dumbing down doesn't help anyone. She seems to think that   
   civilized behaviour is a hypocrisy and state-funded atavism is the way   
   forward. Having lived around that sort of thing I don't agree. Lots of   
   things have happened to the working class and underclass since Orwell's day.   
   The major difference is that they are a lot better off and a lot more   
   uncivilised.   
      
      
    (It's kind of a defining   
   > characteristic that socialists are more interested in rights than in   
   > pity.)   
      
   They wouldn't set out to get rights if they hadn't felt pity and reasoned   
   from it.   
      
    >So are you the real Robbie or what have you done with him? Which   
   > one likes reading Orwell?   
      
   There isn't two ROBBIEs, there's me and I like reading Orwell. I like to   
   ponder again and again his comments about the ordinary people and losing   
   their moral code.   
      
   ROBBIE   
      
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