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   ROBBIE to ROBBIE   
   Re: Immigration is fine for the rich   
   09 Nov 06 17:36:29   
   
   From: hjkhjkhd@hhhh.com   
      
    wrote in message   
   news:1163029103.233684.97300@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...   
      
   ROBBIE wrote:   
   >  wrote in message   
   > news:1162963749.473117.60540@k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...   
   >   
   > ROBBIE wrote:   
   > >  wrote in message   
   > > news:1162874247.999986.272370@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups.com...   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > "What we always forget is that the over­whelming bulk of the British   
   > > proletariat does not live in Britain, but in Asia and Africa. It is not   
   > > in Hitler's power, for instance, to make a penny an hour a normal   
   > > industrial wage; it is perfectly normal in India, and we are at great   
   > > pains to keep it so. One gets some idea of the real relationship of   
   > > England and India when one reflects that the per capita annual income   
   > > in England is something over £80, and in India about £7. It is quite   
   > > common for an Indian coolie's leg to be thinner than the average   
   > > Englishman's arm. And there is nothing racial in this, for well-fed   
   > > members of the same races are of normal physique; it is due to simple   
   > > starvation." (Not Counting Niggers, 1939).   
   > ">   
   > > When I get a spare minute I'm going to write a similar essay about the   
   > > smugness of people like you and the people who run Britain called 'Not   
   > > Counting Chavs' - because you see I live in England 2006 not 1939.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > >Of course now the empire has come home to roost   
   > >   
   > > I'm surprised you see that way. The situation we have now is the upshot   
   > > of   
   > > a   
   > > double whammy: the greed of the mercantile Right and the self-loathing,   
   > > self-destructiveness of the middle-class Left.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > >  and there is a distinct   
   > > shortage of lebensraum in Britain, and in the UK the average coolie's   
   > > leg is now no thinner than the curry-and-lager fed haunch of the modern   
   > > John Bull.   
   > >   
   > > Ah; here comes the hostile snobism that lurks under your outlook. Why is   
   > > it   
   > > that underneath the most noisily pious there lurks titanic misanthropy?   
   > > True   
   > > in every case from St Paul to George Harrison.   
   > >   
   > >   
   > > Although there is a great deal of talk, in this green age, of   
   > > overpopulation causing a drain on natural resources like water in the   
   > > United States, the situation is totally different from the UK.   
   > >   
   > > In the US developers can, almost at will, purchase large tracts of   
   > > more-or-less virgin land and build large numbers of homes, shopping   
   > > malls, gas stations etc., making huge economies of scale, and thus   
   > > making affordable housing available. At least it has been that way   
   > > until relatively recently, though starter home prices relative to wages   
   > > have escalated alarmingly since the coup d'etat of six years ago.   
   > >   
   > > In the UK, there is very little land available for building, and when   
   > > it does become available, then it comes in small parcels, which makes   
   > > economies of scale impossible. The cost of homes in the UK seems to   
   > > bear very little relation to the cost of construction and materials, so   
   > > I imagine that  there must be very fat profit margins, especially since   
   > > sales commissions are tiny compared to the United States--about 1% vs   
   > > 7%.   
   > >   
   > > >The good news is that New Zealand is about the same size as the UK, but   
   > > has a population about the size of that of Manchester, so those who   
   > > >want space can always ship out.   
   > >   
   > > So your usual crass non-answer then? Hey ho. By the way, sort your   
   > > attribution carets out.   
   > >   
   >   
   > "Curry-and-lager fed", is that what is getting you worked up now?   
   >   
   > No it's your blithe and specious pronouncements.   
   >   
   >  I   
   > originally wrote "beef-and-ale fed", thinking that it sounded   
   > Orwellian, but then decided to update it.   
   >   
   > I'm no economist, but it seems to me that increased prosperity in   
   > industrial nations demands continual economic growth, which in turn   
   > means an ever growing population so that more can be consumed.   
   >   
   > We've had five million unemployed for many years. The 'we need 'em'   
   > argument   
   > isn't true. To here a lefty arguing for it - for economic prosperity -   
   > makes   
   > me larf.   
   >   
   >   
   > Thus the   
   > arrival of each group of immigrants promotes the previously arrived   
   > cohort a little higher up the economic feeding chain.   
   >   
   > I know plenty of poor people for whom that simply isn't true. It's a   
   > specious argument.   
   >   
   > >English people have some strange ideas.   
   >   
   > You're the kind of person who could walk through a country of people dying   
   > of diahorrea and praising god while they're doing it and you'd never say   
   > that.   
   >   
   >   
   >  >For example, good manners are   
   > taken to be a sign of good breeding, even though it is clear to anyone   
   > >that manners are the result of training, not breeding.   
   >   
   > Utter bollocks. I haven't heard the expression 'good breeding' used by an   
   > ordinary person ever. Good manners are valued because they are pleasant   
   > and   
   > make life easier and more civilized. Which would you prefer: the sullen   
   > rudeness that is fast becoming default or a good manners?   
   >   
   > I realise it's a challenge for a wealthy champagne marxist to answer this   
   > but please try.   
   >   
   >  Similarly, it is   
   > assumed that working classness is a hereditary condition, which,   
   > >equally clearly, it is not.   
   >   
   > Who assumes that?   
   >   
      
      
   >The same people who assume there are 5 million unemployed.   
      
   >According to government statistics   
      
   Time to say, fuck off you silly old sod.   
      
   (thanks for being as evasive as the other pompous champage socialist here)   
      
   ROBBIE   
      
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