From: hjkhjkhd@hhhh.com   
      
   "Edward Belsky"  wrote in message   
   news:D8fnh.330031$Fi1.236214@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...   
   >   
   > ROBBIE  wrote in message   
   > news:vZGdneeTA4y6igHYnZ2dneKdnZypnZ2d@bt.com...   
   >>   
   >> "Edward Belsky"  wrote in message   
   >> news:BRTmh.324002$Fi1.135518@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...   
   >> > From:  ROBBIE - view profile   
   >> > Date:  Sun, Jan 7 2001 7:26 am   
   >> > So you're saying that black people don't push for the death penalty,   
   >>   
   >> No.   
   >>   
   >>   
   >> > even though they would 'benefit' from it because their own people would   
   >> > suffer by it.   
   >>   
   >> Eh? You back on the drugs?   
   >>   
   > Brass, this shows how cheek returns on the speaker. The quote that you   
   > think   
   > shows the effect of drugs was composed by you in 2001.  Disentangle the   
   > threads to verify.  Ok, maybe in America we can get mickey-mouse degree   
   > which lead to well-paying jobs, but we have to take some required courses   
   > and most of us somewhere along the way are forced to graaple with the   
   > logical truism, (which seems to be out of your ken, since you have not   
   > burnished your curriculum vitae with any logic courses) that if all a is   
   > b,   
   > it does not follow that all b is a.   It may be true that "the vast   
   > majority   
   > of urban crime in London is committed by black men and everyone here knows   
   > it" but it does not follow that the vast majority of black men are   
   > criminals.  There is the rub.  You don't have any black friends to leaven   
   > to   
   > opinion of black people in general.  Martha and I don't just encounter   
   > black   
   > people on the six o'clock news.  We both know a few.  The ones I know are   
   > all nice.  They are not programmatic, thieving, pretentiious, or   
   > homicidal.   
   > Everyone in Co-op city was black. Plain old black and uncriminal. The only   
   > black characters in your corpus are the thief-cum-performance artist of   
   > "Cosmic Funk."   
   >   
   > Your portraiture of me is a little odd because you've got me as a fervent   
   > left-liberal even though the old quote of yours comes from a thread that I   
   > started in which I pushed for the Death Penalty -- in New York, I 'd be an   
   > abolitionist in England.(Koestler cleverly used that old anti-slavery   
   > moniker when he led the campaign against the Death Penalty in England in   
   > the   
   > late 50's.  You must think that I listen to Leadbelly, Josh White, Pete   
   > Seeger except when I'm sticking male porn tapes on my VCR.  Who are you   
   > Michael Savage?  We have a lot of right-wing commentators like youon the   
   > radio Robbie!  You guys just assume that their left critics are the   
   > antitheses of whoever they think they are at the moment.  If you must   
   > know,   
   > I went through a season of porn during a year when I possessed only one   
   > porn   
   > magazine andand I am still rather sentimental about its exemplars, shall   
   > we   
   > say because they were my entire social life at time.  The experience   
   > taught   
   > me fidelity -- that is, it taught how to continually pull new frissons out   
   > of a finite set of haunches - it was a good education for marriage.  But   
   > now   
   > porn makes me sick.  I prefer to latch on to and chat up handsome   
   > strangers   
   > that I've met through the net until I've broken through the fourth wall   
   > with   
   > them (just a joke, I have a good life, has Martha told you?)   
   >>   
   > Now you say: . My target isn't black people - though   
   >> the vast majority of urban crime in London is committed by black men and   
   >> everyone here knows it - but the middle-class lib-lefties.   
   >   
   >   
   > Tell me about it.  So it's a class thing, class war, eh? (as if I didn't   
   > know) and once you started getting compliments from me, you let your class   
   > hobbyhorses hang out to dry.  Before my compliments, you were alittle shy   
   > about them.  Now you free to let go about them.  I somehow gave you a pass   
   > to do that.  Don't you understand that England is a very open place?   The   
   > toffs in England cannot repress their colors from making a spectacle of   
   > themselves. You can pick up on anybody's patent being in the sunshine.   
   > ,The   
   > public space is refreshed by everyone. You, Robbie, could easily write   
   > with   
   > the same social breadth as Anthony Powell, which is really very odd   
   > because   
   > England famously believes there are baffles and screens between the   
   > classes   
   > and that there is no transparency -- taint so. . It has go to do with how   
   > the energy travels there.  You could be a great writer Bugs.  Your thing   
   > about blacks is so cooty-wangy that I figure that it's got to be a   
   > community   
   > prejudice. Crime is very serious my friend. Police are not pc.  They don't   
   > make allowances.  I was thinking about the cultural differences between   
   > how   
   > you guys "take the brunt" and how Americans do.  For one thing, there is   
   > absolutely no housing leg-up in America for being black as there is your   
   > council system. None.  There is affirmative action here for getting tenure   
   > and getting hired as a professor at shit colleges. You look on American   
   > and   
   > England differently because you didn't have the same kind of prejudice   
   > there.  I suppose when you say that you are thinking of Orwell saying that   
   > American black soldiers were popular among the English during Wwii.: I   
   > developed jazz interest recently because living in NY I am blessed with   
   > the   
   > presence of two brilliant jazz radio stations WKCR and WBGO.  My   
   > after-the-fact  jazz past must be a model for what it is now like for a 20   
   > year old (or a 35 year old for that matter) to retrieve something about   
   > the   
   > sixties.  He will get the data in skewed order, he might ponder enigmatic   
   > shards and album covers but to make a major big deal about this exemplary   
   > 35   
   > year old not having 'lived through those events' is to ignore something   
   > simple but important: (clearing my throat) except for the rare historical   
   > event with populist impact like the blitz and the depression, newspapers   
   > and   
   > radio and tv were how contemporaries learned about the events of the last   
   > century and old newsprint and footage can be perfectly resuscitated,   
   > decanted and viewed anew. The History Channel possible, it de-privileges   
   > nowness, like the lady says. 20 year olds do not learn about old events   
   > any   
   > differently than their first audience did.  Most of us are insubstantial,   
   > vague overlookers relative to the big events, at the very most consumers.   
   > The illusion of participation is media hype that creates spurious   
   > affinities   
      
   [continued in next message]   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)