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   "Martha Bridegam"  wrote in message   
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   > ROBBIE wrote:   
   >> "Martha Bridegam"  wrote in message   
   >> news:xZpxh.68671$qO4.23146@newssvr13.news.prodigy.net...   
   >>> ROBBIE wrote:   
   >>>> ...you then impute and insinuate things like: 'tell them to their faces   
   >>>> that their households are   
   >>>> aberrant and devoid of family feeling'.   
   >>> I took your phrase, "like poodles," to mean "like trivial accessories."   
   >>> No?   
   >>   
   >> Some of them will want kids as accessories, yes; but not all. The real   
   >> issue here is whether adoption is a universal right and whether the new   
   >> law in Britain should steamroller over people's consciences and morality.   
   >   
   > So it is steamrollering to tell "people" that they must tolerate gay   
   > parents as neighbors, but no steamrollering is involved in telling gay   
   > couples that they do not qualify to have children?   
      
   The situation I refer to is the case where the uk government refused to   
   exempt Roman Catholic agencies - this was a leftist ideological scheme in   
   full steam shovel mode.   
      
      
   >   
   > Don't you see anything totalitarian at all in a central government   
   > decision telling certain people they are not allowed to be parents?   
      
   No. It is the assumption of a duty, not a universal human right. In fact,   
   throughout the debate I've heard virtually nothing about children's rights   
   and what is best for them. The whole debate is just another prong of an   
   ideological crusade - with a nasty twist of 'I WANNA AND I WANNA NOW' Why is   
   is that people think they can have everything they want when they want it   
   and sod anyone who disagrees? Your human rights totalitarianism is very   
   slippery, it can bit you right in the arse.   
      
      
   >   
   > And how exactly do these (presumably heterosexual) "people" of yours   
   > suffer by living in the same town as peaceable law-abiding, garden-tending   
   > neighbor families that happen to include gay parents? Do you think they'll   
   > expire from the galloping shudders or what?   
   >   
      
   You're looking down the wrong end of the telescope again - this is about a   
   specific situation in the UK.   
      
      
   > ...   
   >> Matters have become totalitarian when you are not allowed to disagree in   
   >> these matters and you are discriminated against for doing so.   
   >   
   > Precisely the situation gay parents face at present.   
      
   In the present situation, discrimination *for* them results in   
   discrimination *against* others. It's slippery stuff this   
   no-provenance-but-my-superior-mind militant righteousness.   
      
   ROBBIE   
      
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