From: hjkhjkhd@hhhh.com
"Edward Belsky" wrote in message
news:cHJUh.310466$5j1.261356@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
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> You really live in a cosmos like a medieval Everyman play in which all
> the characters are archtypal.
Nope.
I talk about intellectual trends and widespread fancies. The mores of the
middle class liberal-left mind here and where you are are interesting to me.
It is no good whatsoever saying: it's ain't me, babe. Why? Because it ain't
*you* I'm having a go at. There are trends. For example, If you're a righty
you - to a lesser or greater degree - dislike big government, high taxes and
easy welfare, because you believe it is corrupting, wasteful and ultmately
creates a new public sector boorjwarzee and parasite class. If you're a
lefty you, to a lesser or greater extent, believe the opposite. Take various
issues. This is how trends work. I, like you, take a grab at both sides.
Now's as a good a time as ever to start asking questions. We've seen that
liberal left cave in to brown fascism, pick and choose its victims of
tyranny and make moral and social rubbish tips for the poor to live in.
We've seen the abdication of reason in work, law and order and education and
in manners. This all got slung on the bonfire for abstractions and for
vanity. OK I said that thing about you and Martha, Wolfman Jack spins If
Being Wrong Feels This Good, I Don't Wanna Be Right... but there's a truth
in it.
At least I don't have to fear for contempt
> from you for my electicism -- what Allport contemptuously called my
> "originality"
Don't talk about The Mekon cos he;ll just say, 'hah, I dunno about that lot
on the Scottish newsgroup, they're STILL talking about me.'
--because you are blithely unaware of it and are so hot to
> make me one of the ruling junta of bien-pensants, the bien-pensantariat,
> that you just don't even notice how I straddle positions, how I take some
> grim strokes from De Maistre and merge them to some floral patterns from
> Rousseau, how I correct and qualify and fall between two stools.
Rousseau's a bit of a stool if you ask me.
If I
> excuse and condone everything how is that I sadly suggest that society may
> require the castor-oil of the Death Penalty every few generations? I am
> an
> atypical, disinterested proponent of the DP whereas you make all of your
> societal prescriptions out of simple interest-group calculation. I
> support
> the DP for the same reason that I would support the return of corporal
> punishment in schools. -- both punishments implicity amount to the
> acceptance by common citizens of power in a central authority. Parents
> that
> hold back from completely committing their children to the jurisdiction of
> the schools, who regard teachers as subordinates dancing on their favor,
> are
> setting their children on a dangerous course. In New York, the Jewish and
> Italian and Irish and Yankee-stock parents of 60-70 years ago who conceded
> the license to beat to their children's schools were giving their kids a
> citizenship lesson. Their acquiescence, their lack of protest, came out
> of
> respect for teachers and school, not out of less-than-perfect love for
> their
> children or out of a general invertebrateness. Nowadays parent's revolt of
> Wat Tylerdimensions always breaks out when there is a beating incident in
> a
> school, although schools have never been wilder. I think that parents feel
> affronted when it happens, like they HAVE to bomb the school or something,
> because they feel unmanned if it happens to their kid ( a big change from
> 60
> yrs. ago) The only way to overcome parental resistance is to throw open a
> debate about it but no local politician has done this since I've been
> keeping track. Unlike the DP, it is political poison and that is a pity
> because an open debate might reconcile some people to it because it would
> generalize the issue and elevate it above the scattershot, sweatily
> individual level where it is now. A father or mother might acquiesce when
> it occurs once they are aware that other parents would do the exactly the
> same and they don't have to sulk about a personal affront.
> Your story about student character being weakened by the teachers'
> rhetoric about institutional racism sounds twenty years out of date. If
> THAT were what is going on it would naturally generate constituencies like
> the Black Panther party that came and went a long time ago. Students are
> not banding together anymore in groups to right society. They are instead
> all for themselves as hip-hop tells them to be. You just want to blame
> everything on the fruit juice and sandal mob, never on hip-hop itself
> which
> I think is the real scourge, even if sometimes imitates the Talking Blues
> of
> Bob Dylan. Your educational malefactors are suspiciously coextensive with
> the people whom you think are in power in the arts. You're just Jimmy
> Porter disgusted and looking back in anger -- but with an updated enemies
> list.
> ED
>
>
Yeah you back the death penalty. Good for you. The trendy left condone and
love hip hop and rap. The BBC love it desperately, even though it has become
a destructive force in society. I've seen Bridegam blame white men for that
as well, which is another example of the abdication of reason by the left in
these matters. Me as Jimmy Porter? I'm far more fun than that, believe me.
But the solution of the cultural revolution of the sixties still hasn't been
able to save the poor and gifted and stop the rise of the wealthy and inane.
They won;t face up to any of it and now are fully embarked on the final
solution which is to destroy personality, free thought and education as we
know it. The left's solution to education in Britain fucked the poor, fucked
the poor up the arse as hard as any pre 1963 conservative. That's what's
interesting. The left's solution to law and order fucks the law-abiding poor
up the arse. Seen it and got the scars to prove it. I'm a lot more jolly
than you might think, Belsky.
ROBBIE
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