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   Joe Fineman to All   
   Re: Why did George Orwell not have any k   
   15 Jun 09 20:44:47   
   
   From: joe_f@verizon.net   
      
   The so-called "Holocaust" was not so called in Orwell's time.  I do   
   not remember when I first saw it, but it would have been in the 1970s   
   at the earliest.  The OED records some descriptive applications in the   
   '40s, but its first citation as a specific name for the German   
   atrocities is in 1957.  In my childhood & adolescence (1940s & 1950s)   
   we referred to it by some such descriptive phrase as "the Nazi   
   persecution of the Jews".   
      
   Orwell wrote extensively on antisemitism, and was worried about the   
   extent of it in Britain.  He was well aware that the Germans had   
   killed a lot of Jews, and thought that that fact had impeded attempts   
   to understand antisemitism by making it expedient for respectable   
   people to deny its existence in themselves.   
      
   N.B.  Antisemitism, perhaps surprisingly, appears in _Nineteen   
   Eighty-Four_.  Immanual Goldstein, like Trotsky, was a Jew.   
   --   
   ---  Joe Fineman    joe_f@verizon.net   
      
   ||:  Experience is the worst teacher.  It gives the test  :||   
   ||:  first and the instruction afterward.                 :||   
      
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