XPost: alt.messianic   
   From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On 1/12/2026 5:17 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   > On 1/12/26 7:55 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:   
   >>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer spending is   
   >>>>> unproductive,   
   >>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an income tax.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the fuck is the point   
   >>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't consumed??   
   >>>>   
   >>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock guidance of the   
   >>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to work. if   
   >>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what to   
   >>>> produce, eh???   
   >>>>   
   >>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if they were paid   
   >>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk why ur   
   >>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here   
   >>>>   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two taxes.   
   >>>>> THey want   
   >>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax amendment first.   
   >>>>> But   
   >>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an income tax.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things that should be   
   >>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a *limited*   
   >>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> #god   
   >>>>   
   >>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful country on the   
   >>>> planet can't complete on the open market without tariffs??? where's the   
   >>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us "capitalism"???   
   >>>>   
   >>>> fucking ??   
   >>>   
   >>> Usury is an integral part of this system.  No way could consumerism   
   >>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to make more   
   >>> money.   
   >>>   
   >>> consumerism   
   >>> tariffs   
   >>> various tax schemes   
   >>> politics   
   >>>   
   >>> Something is wrong with this system.  Perhaps we could think of a new   
   >>> one that has not been tried before.  Because, so far, nothing works   
   >>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the system that we   
   >>> are left with after the others failed.   
   >>   
   >> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and appreciated, and by   
   >> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do things to those   
   >> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for others is   
   >> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.   
   >   
   > speak for urself broski, just cause u allow urself to excuse greed,   
   > doesn't mean i will   
   >   
   > secularists think they've reached escape velocity for morals by   
   > "measuring" the fact we've ignored morals so much thus far ...   
   >   
   >  > unrepentant sinners smh   
   >  >   
   >  > #god   
   >   
   >> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our evolution to   
   >> improve our social status. Because having a high status conferred an   
   >> increased chance of survival.   
   >   
   > u know why bad things keep happening to "good" people???   
   >   
   > because our values are by and large kinda shit, so therefore we're   
   > unable to organize around producing a better one.   
   >   
   >>   
   >> This is how we've been behaving:   
   >>   > see that things aren't working as well as we think they should   
   >>   > design a solution to make things better (and improve the status of   
   >> those involved in the repair)   
   >>   > solution does not make everything better   
   >>   > some things are even worse   
   >>   > repeat   
   >>   
   >> If you say that the best possible system would be to just allow folks   
   >> to make their own decisions based on their own motivations and   
   >> incentives with as little oversight interference as possible, you're   
   >> utopian or a bigot and a hater. (Don't you even CARE?!)   
   >>   
   >> But mostly the problem with allowing that much freedom is there'd be   
   >> no place for them to repair the rupture of perfection and be the hero.   
   >>   
   >   
   > that much freedom can only be had by committing to others just as much   
   > as you commit to yourself.   
   >   
   > no other way it will ever happen   
   >   
      
   "Excuse greed" is just marxist rhetoric. If you don't want to be   
   confused with a moron communist don't talk like one.   
      
   As long as people believe we can remake humanity (by force or by   
   incentive) they and their systems are all going to fail.   
      
   Rewarding competence isn't excusing greed. It's understanding what   
   incentivizes people do things. You can have all the high-minded ideals   
   but in the end people will generally always act in ways that benefit   
   their own interests. The neat thing is more and more are starting to   
   understand that helping other people *is* in their interest and in the   
   long run provides personal benefits both psychic/spiritual and   
   physical/monetary. And that understanding comes from seeing how things   
   REALLY work.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
    * Origin: you cannot sedate... all the things you hate (1:229/2)