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On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:46:37 -0500, Wilson
wrote:
>On 1/13/2026 12:58 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 12:47:13 -0500, Wilson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/12/2026 5:17 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 1/12/26 7:55 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer spending is
>>>>>>>> unproductive,
>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an income tax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the fuck is the point
>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't consumed??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock guidance of the
>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to work. if
>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what to
>>>>>>> produce, eh???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if they were paid
>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk why ur
>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two taxes.
>>>>>>>> THey want
>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax amendment first.
>>>>>>>> But
>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an income tax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things that should be
>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a *limited*
>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #god
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful country on the
>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without tariffs??? where's the
>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us "capitalism"???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fucking ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system. No way could consumerism
>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to make more
>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> consumerism
>>>>>> tariffs
>>>>>> various tax schemes
>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system. Perhaps we could think of a new
>>>>>> one that has not been tried before. Because, so far, nothing works
>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the system that we
>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and appreciated, and by
>>>>> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do things to those
>>>>> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for others is
>>>>> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.
>>>>
>>>> speak for urself broski, just cause u allow urself to excuse greed,
>>>> doesn't mean i will
>>>>
>>>> secularists think they've reached escape velocity for morals by
>>>> "measuring" the fact we've ignored morals so much thus far ...
>>>>
>>>> > unrepentant sinners smh
>>>> >
>>>> > #god
>>>>
>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our evolution to
>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status conferred an
>>>>> increased chance of survival.
>>>>
>>>> u know why bad things keep happening to "good" people???
>>>>
>>>> because our values are by and large kinda shit, so therefore we're
>>>> unable to organize around producing a better one.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:
>>>>> > see that things aren't working as well as we think they should
>>>>> > design a solution to make things better (and improve the status of
>>>>> those involved in the repair)
>>>>> > solution does not make everything better
>>>>> > some things are even worse
>>>>> > repeat
>>>>>
>>>>> If you say that the best possible system would be to just allow folks
>>>>> to make their own decisions based on their own motivations and
>>>>> incentives with as little oversight interference as possible, you're
>>>>> utopian or a bigot and a hater. (Don't you even CARE?!)
>>>>>
>>>>> But mostly the problem with allowing that much freedom is there'd be
>>>>> no place for them to repair the rupture of perfection and be the hero.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> that much freedom can only be had by committing to others just as much
>>>> as you commit to yourself.
>>>>
>>>> no other way it will ever happen
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Excuse greed" is just marxist rhetoric. If you don't want to be
>>> confused with a moron communist don't talk like one.
>>
>> As if excusing greed were not an issue. For the greedy. As if all
>> communists were morons.
>>
>>> As long as people believe we can remake humanity (by force or by
>>> incentive) they and their systems are all going to fail.
>>
>> You mean like commercialism is in the process of right now?
>>
>>> Rewarding competence isn't excusing greed. It's understanding what
>>> incentivizes people do things. You can have all the high-minded ideals
>>> but in the end people will generally always act in ways that benefit
>>> their own interests.
>>
>> You mean people like you will. Like most people agree with the things
>> you say.
>>
>>> The neat thing is more and more are starting to
>>> understand that helping other people *is* in their interest and in the
>>> long run provides personal benefits both psychic/spiritual and
>>> physical/monetary. And that understanding comes from seeing how things
>>> REALLY work.
>>
>> You mean that is how you work. And is a rationalization for how govt
>> should not be trying to help people. Because, you know, you have the
>> above understanding, therefore so do most other people. And most
>> other people will act on those understandings. Except, we don't find
>> guys like you running soup kitchens for the homeless, right? But
>> people who do must be motivated the same way you are, right? No way
>> they could see things differently, right?
>
>"Blah, blah, blah, communism is just misunderstood, economies gotta
>collectivize."
I said no such thing. You said that, not me.
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
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Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away
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