XPost: alt.messianic
From: user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid
On 1/13/26 9:47 AM, Wilson wrote:
> On 1/12/2026 5:17 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 1/12/26 7:55 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer spending is
>>>>>> unproductive,
>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an income tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the fuck is the
>>>>> point
>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't consumed??
>>>>>
>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock guidance of
>>>>> the
>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to work. if
>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what to
>>>>> produce, eh???
>>>>>
>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if they were paid
>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk why ur
>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two taxes.
>>>>>> THey want
>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax amendment
>>>>>> first. But
>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an income tax.
>>>>>
>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things that should be
>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a *limited*
>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt
>>>>>
>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #god
>>>>>
>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful country on the
>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without tariffs??? where's
>>>>> the
>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us "capitalism"???
>>>>>
>>>>> fucking ??
>>>>
>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system. No way could consumerism
>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to make more
>>>> money.
>>>>
>>>> consumerism
>>>> tariffs
>>>> various tax schemes
>>>> politics
>>>>
>>>> Something is wrong with this system. Perhaps we could think of a new
>>>> one that has not been tried before. Because, so far, nothing works
>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the system that we
>>>> are left with after the others failed.
>>>
>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and appreciated, and
>>> by doing so improve their place in the world. So they do things to
>>> those ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for
>>> others is ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.
>>
>> speak for urself broski, just cause u allow urself to excuse greed,
>> doesn't mean i will
>>
>> secularists think they've reached escape velocity for morals by
>> "measuring" the fact we've ignored morals so much thus far ...
>>
>> > unrepentant sinners smh
>> >
>> > #god
>>
>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our evolution to
>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status conferred an
>>> increased chance of survival.
>>
>> u know why bad things keep happening to "good" people???
>>
>> because our values are by and large kinda shit, so therefore we're
>> unable to organize around producing a better one.
>>
>>>
>>> This is how we've been behaving:
>>> > see that things aren't working as well as we think they should
>>> > design a solution to make things better (and improve the status
>>> of those involved in the repair)
>>> > solution does not make everything better
>>> > some things are even worse
>>> > repeat
>>>
>>> If you say that the best possible system would be to just allow folks
>>> to make their own decisions based on their own motivations and
>>> incentives with as little oversight interference as possible, you're
>>> utopian or a bigot and a hater. (Don't you even CARE?!)
>>>
>>> But mostly the problem with allowing that much freedom is there'd be
>>> no place for them to repair the rupture of perfection and be the hero.
>>>
>>
>> that much freedom can only be had by committing to others just as much
>> as you commit to yourself.
>>
>> no other way it will ever happen
>>
>
> "Excuse greed" is just marxist rhetoric. If you don't want to be
> confused with a moron communist don't talk like one.
it is excusing greed
>
> As long as people believe we can remake humanity (by force or by
> incentive) they and their systems are all going to fail.
we're going to have to "remake" humanity in order to have the general
consideration required to account for long term consequences of our actions
greedy people just don't have enough foresight, and this is a massive
liability to the viability of our species
>
> Rewarding competence isn't excusing greed. It's understanding what
> incentivizes people do things. You can have all the high-minded ideals
> but in the end people will generally always act in ways that benefit
> their own interests. The neat thing is more and more are starting to
> understand that helping other people *is* in their interest and in the
> long run provides personal benefits both psychic/spiritual and physical/
> monetary. And that understanding comes from seeing how things REALLY work.
>
market economics isn't a great meritocracy, it's just mildly better than
a totalitarian bureaucracy ... which is a really fucking low bar, dude
it's still pretty shit on the whole and the system has robbed us tons of
soft hard to measure value in the process, like family and community by
and large...
in the end it doesn't really matter what people like u think, the top 1%
of the world sitting on top of a grossly exploitive system u refuse to
acknowledge... what matters is the bottom 90% think. which btw caps at
like $20/day of spending power. i don't think ur close to *even one
person* living in the bracket that 90% of people on this globe are
existing within.
it's funny to me when secularists like u don't worry about ur next self.
cause that "life path" birthing dice roll really ain't looking all that
hot these day
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