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On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:50:54 -0500, Wilson
wrote:
>On 1/13/2026 1:10 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:04:31 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/13/2026 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 1/12/2026 7:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:42:55 -0500, Wilson
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:50:31 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:55:14 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer spending is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unproductive,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an income
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the fuck is
>>>>>>>>>>>> the point
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't consumed??
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock
>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to work. if
>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what to
>>>>>>>>>>>> produce, eh???
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if they
>>>>>>>>>>>> were paid
>>>>>>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk why ur
>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two
>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes. THey want
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>> first. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things that
>>>>>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>> *limited*
>>>>>>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful country on the
>>>>>>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without tariffs???
>>>>>>>>>>>> where's the
>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us "capitalism"???
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking ??
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system. No way could consumerism
>>>>>>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to make more
>>>>>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism
>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs
>>>>>>>>>>> various tax schemes
>>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system. Perhaps we could think of
>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>> one that has not been tried before. Because, so far, nothing works
>>>>>>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the system
>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and appreciated,
>>>>>>>>>> and by
>>>>>>>>>> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do things to
>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for others is
>>>>>>>>>> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our evolution to
>>>>>>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status conferred an
>>>>>>>>>> increased chance of survival.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:
>>>>>>>>>> > see that things aren't working as well as we think they
should
>>>>>>>>>> > design a solution to make things better (and improve the
>>>>>>>>>> status of
>>>>>>>>>> those involved in the repair)
>>>>>>>>>> > solution does not make everything better
>>>>>>>>>> > some things are even worse
>>>>>>>>>> > repeat
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So it is time for a new idea, not revert to an old idea like
>>>>>>>>> libertarianism.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because giving people that much freedom doesn't work for you, as I
>>>>>>>> explained:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Because reverting to failed past ideas seems kinda stupid. As you
>>>>>>> mentioned once upon a time, those ideas were left behind for a reason
>>>>>>> with intention to do things in a better way. It occurs to me that
>>>>>>> perhaps you don't like the better way that was chosen. You really
>>>>>>> have no interest in possible new ways of handling those old problems.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Leaving behind the ideals of liberty is the end of civilization.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, your definition of liberty does not rule us. Let us return
>>>>> to: libertarianism was abandoned for a reason. An improvement was
>>>>> intended. Discarding that improvement does not require returning to
>>>>> old unworkable ideas.
>>>>
>>>> What I hear: "Blah, blah, blah I don't like freedom and want the boot."
>>>>
>>> Is there something wrong with Sombrero? It's as if he opposed to almost
>>> every statement that is posted here!
>>
>> Yours anyway.
>>
>>> The US government was founded on libertarian principles!
>>
>> Which were mostly abandoned about 125 years ago for good reason, which
>> is why wilson thinks he needs to campaign for going back to those
>> ideas.
>Bimbo Sombrero loves the boot.
Wilson descends into disarticulations because he can no longer present
a rational argument.
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
<<>> to <<>>
Who dares to talk to El Sombrero?
dares: Ned
does not dare: Julian shrinks in horror and warns others away
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