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On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 16:29:31 -0500, Wilson
wrote:
>On 1/13/2026 1:56 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 13:50:54 -0500, Wilson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/13/2026 1:10 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:04:31 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/13/2026 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 7:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:42:55 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:50:31 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:55:14 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer spending is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unproductive,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an income
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the fuck is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't consumed??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to work.
if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce, eh???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk why ur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes. THey want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *limited*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful country on
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without tariffs???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us "capitalism"???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system. No way could
consumerism
>>>>>>>>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to make more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> various tax schemes
>>>>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system. Perhaps we could think of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one that has not been tried before. Because, so far, nothing
works
>>>>>>>>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the system
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and appreciated,
>>>>>>>>>>>> and by
>>>>>>>>>>>> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do things to
>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for others
is
>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our evolution
to
>>>>>>>>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status conferred
an
>>>>>>>>>>>> increased chance of survival.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:
>>>>>>>>>>>> > see that things aren't working as well as we think they
should
>>>>>>>>>>>> > design a solution to make things better (and improve the
>>>>>>>>>>>> status of
>>>>>>>>>>>> those involved in the repair)
>>>>>>>>>>>> > solution does not make everything better
>>>>>>>>>>>> > some things are even worse
>>>>>>>>>>>> > repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So it is time for a new idea, not revert to an old idea like
>>>>>>>>>>> libertarianism.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Because giving people that much freedom doesn't work for you, as I
>>>>>>>>>> explained:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because reverting to failed past ideas seems kinda stupid. As you
>>>>>>>>> mentioned once upon a time, those ideas were left behind for a reason
>>>>>>>>> with intention to do things in a better way. It occurs to me that
>>>>>>>>> perhaps you don't like the better way that was chosen. You really
>>>>>>>>> have no interest in possible new ways of handling those old problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Leaving behind the ideals of liberty is the end of civilization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, your definition of liberty does not rule us. Let us return
>>>>>>> to: libertarianism was abandoned for a reason. An improvement was
>>>>>>> intended. Discarding that improvement does not require returning to
>>>>>>> old unworkable ideas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What I hear: "Blah, blah, blah I don't like freedom and want the boot."
>>>>>>
>>>>> Is there something wrong with Sombrero? It's as if he opposed to almost
>>>>> every statement that is posted here!
>>>>
>>>> Yours anyway.
>>>>
>>>>> The US government was founded on libertarian principles!
>>>>
>>>> Which were mostly abandoned about 125 years ago for good reason, which
>>>> is why wilson thinks he needs to campaign for going back to those
>>>> ideas.
>>> Bimbo Sombrero loves the boot.
>>
>> Wilson descends into disarticulations because he can no longer present
>> a rational argument.
>
>So, what's the flavor like?
disarticulation has a flavor?
--
Noah Sombrero mustachioed villain
Don't get political with me young man
or I'll tie you to a railroad track and
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