From: punditster@gmail.com
On 1/13/2026 4:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:07:14 -0800, Dude wrote:
>
>> On 1/13/2026 10:10 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:04:31 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/13/2026 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 1/12/2026 7:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:42:55 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:50:31 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:55:14 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer spending is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unproductive,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an income
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the fuck is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't consumed??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock
>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to work.
if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce, eh???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk why ur
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes. THey want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *limited*
>>>>>>>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful country on
the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without tariffs???
>>>>>>>>>>>>> where's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us "capitalism"???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system. No way could
consumerism
>>>>>>>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to make more
>>>>>>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism
>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs
>>>>>>>>>>>> various tax schemes
>>>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system. Perhaps we could think of
>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> one that has not been tried before. Because, so far, nothing
works
>>>>>>>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the system
>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and appreciated,
>>>>>>>>>>> and by
>>>>>>>>>>> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do things to
>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for others is
>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our evolution to
>>>>>>>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status conferred
an
>>>>>>>>>>> increased chance of survival.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:
>>>>>>>>>>> > see that things aren't working as well as we think they
should
>>>>>>>>>>> > design a solution to make things better (and improve the
>>>>>>>>>>> status of
>>>>>>>>>>> those involved in the repair)
>>>>>>>>>>> > solution does not make everything better
>>>>>>>>>>> > some things are even worse
>>>>>>>>>>> > repeat
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So it is time for a new idea, not revert to an old idea like
>>>>>>>>>> libertarianism.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because giving people that much freedom doesn't work for you, as I
>>>>>>>>> explained:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Because reverting to failed past ideas seems kinda stupid. As you
>>>>>>>> mentioned once upon a time, those ideas were left behind for a reason
>>>>>>>> with intention to do things in a better way. It occurs to me that
>>>>>>>> perhaps you don't like the better way that was chosen. You really
>>>>>>>> have no interest in possible new ways of handling those old problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Leaving behind the ideals of liberty is the end of civilization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, your definition of liberty does not rule us. Let us return
>>>>>> to: libertarianism was abandoned for a reason. An improvement was
>>>>>> intended. Discarding that improvement does not require returning to
>>>>>> old unworkable ideas.
>>>>>
>>>>> What I hear: "Blah, blah, blah I don't like freedom and want the boot."
>>>>>
>>>> Is there something wrong with Sombrero? It's as if he opposed to almost
>>>> every statement that is posted here!
>>>
>>> Yours anyway.
>>>
>> It's not my liberty. Liberty belongs to everyone. We should all be equal
>> under the law.
>>>
>>>> The US government was founded on libertarian principles!
>>>
>>> Which were mostly abandoned about 125 years ago for good reason, which
>>> is why wilson thinks he needs to campaign for going back to those
>>> ideas.
>>>
>> Are you nuts? The US government is today still based on civil liberties:
>>
>> Individual freedoms like free speech, privacy, right to bear arms, and
>> freedom of association, opposing government censorship.
>>
>> Ever heard of the Statue of Liberty?
>>>
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