From: punditster@gmail.com   
      
   On 1/14/2026 8:17 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 07:21:44 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 1/13/2026 8:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 19:17:32 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 1/13/2026 4:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:07:14 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 1/13/2026 10:10 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:04:31 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 7:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:42:55 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:50:31 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:55:14 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com   
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer spending is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unproductive,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an   
   income   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the fuck is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't consumed??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to   
   work. if   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce, eh???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paid   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk   
   why ur   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes.  THey want   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax amendment   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first.  But   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *limited*   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful country   
   on the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without tariffs???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where's the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us "capitalism"???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking ??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system.  No way could   
   consumerism   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to make   
   more   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various tax schemes   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politics   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system.  Perhaps we could think   
   of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one that has not been tried before.  Because, so far,   
   nothing works   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the system   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and appreciated,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do things to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for   
   others is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our   
   evolution to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status   
   conferred an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increased chance of survival.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         > see that things aren't working as well as we   
   think they should   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         > design a solution to make things better (and   
   improve the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those involved in the repair)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         > solution does not make everything better   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         > some things are even worse   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         > repeat   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it is time for a new idea, not revert to an old idea like   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> libertarianism.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Because giving people that much freedom doesn't work for you, as   
   I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> explained:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> Because reverting to failed past ideas seems kinda stupid.  As   
   you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned once upon a time, those ideas were left behind for a   
   reason   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> with intention to do things in a better way.  It occurs to me   
   that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps you don't like the better way that was chosen.  You   
   really   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> have no interest in possible new ways of handling those old   
   problems.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> Leaving behind the ideals of liberty is the end of civilization.   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> However, your definition of liberty does not rule us.  Let us   
   return   
   >>>>>>>>>> to:  libertarianism was abandoned for a reason.  An improvement   
   was   
   >>>>>>>>>> intended.  Discarding that improvement does not require returning   
   to   
   >>>>>>>>>> old unworkable ideas.   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> What I hear:  "Blah, blah, blah I don't like freedom and want the   
   boot."   
   >>>>>>>>>   
      
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