XPost: alt.messianic
From: user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid
On 1/14/26 9:38 AM, Wilson wrote:
> On 1/13/2026 2:43 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 1/13/26 9:47 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 1/12/2026 5:17 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 1/12/26 7:55 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer spending is
>>>>>>>> unproductive,
>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an income tax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the fuck is the
>>>>>>> point
>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't consumed??
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock guidance
>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to work. if
>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what to
>>>>>>> produce, eh???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if they were
>>>>>>> paid
>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk why ur
>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two taxes.
>>>>>>>> THey want
>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax amendment
>>>>>>>> first. But
>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an income
>>>>>>>> tax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things that
>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a *limited*
>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> #god
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful country on the
>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without tariffs???
>>>>>>> where's the
>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us "capitalism"???
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> fucking ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system. No way could consumerism
>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to make more
>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> consumerism
>>>>>> tariffs
>>>>>> various tax schemes
>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system. Perhaps we could think of a new
>>>>>> one that has not been tried before. Because, so far, nothing works
>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the system that we
>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and appreciated, and
>>>>> by doing so improve their place in the world. So they do things to
>>>>> those ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for
>>>>> others is ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.
>>>>
>>>> speak for urself broski, just cause u allow urself to excuse greed,
>>>> doesn't mean i will
>>>>
>>>> secularists think they've reached escape velocity for morals by
>>>> "measuring" the fact we've ignored morals so much thus far ...
>>>>
>>>> > unrepentant sinners smh
>>>> >
>>>> > #god
>>>>
>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our evolution to
>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status conferred
>>>>> an increased chance of survival.
>>>>
>>>> u know why bad things keep happening to "good" people???
>>>>
>>>> because our values are by and large kinda shit, so therefore we're
>>>> unable to organize around producing a better one.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:
>>>>> > see that things aren't working as well as we think they should
>>>>> > design a solution to make things better (and improve the status
>>>>> of those involved in the repair)
>>>>> > solution does not make everything better
>>>>> > some things are even worse
>>>>> > repeat
>>>>>
>>>>> If you say that the best possible system would be to just allow
>>>>> folks to make their own decisions based on their own motivations
>>>>> and incentives with as little oversight interference as possible,
>>>>> you're utopian or a bigot and a hater. (Don't you even CARE?!)
>>>>>
>>>>> But mostly the problem with allowing that much freedom is there'd
>>>>> be no place for them to repair the rupture of perfection and be the
>>>>> hero.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> that much freedom can only be had by committing to others just as
>>>> much as you commit to yourself.
>>>>
>>>> no other way it will ever happen
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Excuse greed" is just marxist rhetoric. If you don't want to be
>>> confused with a moron communist don't talk like one.
>>
>> it is excusing greed
>>
>>>
>>> As long as people believe we can remake humanity (by force or by
>>> incentive) they and their systems are all going to fail.
>>
>> we're going to have to "remake" humanity in order to have the general
>> consideration required to account for long term consequences of our
>> actions
>>
>> greedy people just don't have enough foresight, and this is a massive
>> liability to the viability of our species
>>
>>>
>>> Rewarding competence isn't excusing greed. It's understanding what
>>> incentivizes people do things. You can have all the high-minded
>>> ideals but in the end people will generally always act in ways that
>>> benefit their own interests. The neat thing is more and more are
>>> starting to understand that helping other people *is* in their
>>> interest and in the long run provides personal benefits both psychic/
>>> spiritual and physical/ monetary. And that understanding comes from
>>> seeing how things REALLY work.
>>>
>>
>> market economics isn't a great meritocracy, it's just mildly better
>> than a totalitarian bureaucracy ... which is a really fucking low bar,
>> dude
>>
>> it's still pretty shit on the whole and the system has robbed us tons
>> of soft hard to measure value in the process, like family and
>> community by and large...
>>
>> in the end it doesn't really matter what people like u think, the top
>> 1% of the world sitting on top of a grossly exploitive system u refuse
>> to acknowledge... what matters is the bottom 90% think. which btw caps
>> at like $20/day of spending power. i don't think ur close to *even one
>> person* living in the bracket that 90% of people on this globe are
>> existing within.
>>
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