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   On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 08:21:25 +0000, Creon  wrote:   
      
   >At Wed, 14 Jan 2026 12:45:08 -0500, Noah Sombrero  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 12:22:54 -0500, Wilson    
   >> wrote:   
   >>   
   >> >On 1/14/2026 11:56 AM, Dude wrote:   
   >> >> On 1/14/2026 8:17 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> >>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 07:21:44 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >> >>>   
   >> >>>> On 1/13/2026 8:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> >>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 19:17:32 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >> >>>>>   
   >> >>>>>> On 1/13/2026 4:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:07:14 -0800, Dude    
   >> >>>>>>> wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 10:10 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:04:31 -0800, Dude    
   >> >>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 7:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:42:55 -0500, Wilson   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:50:31 -0500, Wilson   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:55:14 -0500, Wilson   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM,   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending is   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unproductive,   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an income   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax.   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuck is   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumed??   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of the   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work. if   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what to   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce, eh???   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paid   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not.   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idk why ur   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with   
   two   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes.  THey want   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first.  But   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before   
   an   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax.   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be   
   a   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *limited*   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country on the   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs???   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where's the   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "capitalism"???   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking ??   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system.  No way could   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make more   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various tax schemes   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politics   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system.  Perhaps we could   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one that has not been tried before.  Because, so far,   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing works   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated,   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for others is   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution to   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conferred an   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increased chance of survival.   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         > see that things aren't working as well as we   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think they should   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>         > design a solution to make things better (and   
   >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improve the   
      
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