From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On 1/15/2026 9:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 08:21:25 +0000, Creon  wrote:   
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   >> At Wed, 14 Jan 2026 12:45:08 -0500, Noah Sombrero  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 12:22:54 -0500, Wilson    
   >>> wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 1/14/2026 11:56 AM, Dude wrote:   
   >>>>> On 1/14/2026 8:17 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 07:21:44 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>   
   >>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 8:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 19:17:32 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 4:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:07:14 -0800, Dude    
   >>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 10:10 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:04:31 -0800, Dude    
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 7:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:42:55 -0500, Wilson   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:50:31 -0500, Wilson   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:55:14 -0500, Wilson   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unproductive,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an income   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fuck is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumed??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to work. if   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce, eh???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paid   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idk why ur   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with   
   two   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes.  THey want   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amendment   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first.  But   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before   
   an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be   
   a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *limited*   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> country on the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where's the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "capitalism"???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking ??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system.  No way could   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make more   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various tax schemes   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politics   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system.  Perhaps we could   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> think of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one that has not been tried before.  Because, so far,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nothing works   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> system   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appreciated,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for others is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evolution to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conferred an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increased chance of survival.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          > see that things aren't working as well   
   as we   
      
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