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On 1/16/26 8:51 AM, Wilson wrote:
> On 1/16/2026 12:41 AM, Creon wrote:
>> At Thu, 15 Jan 2026 11:07:44 -0500, Wilson
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/15/2026 9:25 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 15 Jan 2026 08:21:25 +0000, Creon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> At Wed, 14 Jan 2026 12:45:08 -0500, Noah Sombrero
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 12:22:54 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/14/2026 11:56 AM, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/14/2026 8:17 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 07:21:44 -0800, Dude
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 8:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 19:17:32 -0800, Dude
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 4:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:07:14 -0800, Dude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 10:10 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:04:31 -0800, Dude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 7:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:42:55 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:50:31 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Leaving behind the ideals of liberty is the end of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civilization.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, your definition of liberty does not rule us.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let us
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> return
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to: libertarianism was abandoned for a reason. An
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improvement was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> intended. Discarding that improvement does not require
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> returning to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> old unworkable ideas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What I hear: "Blah, blah, blah I don't like freedom
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the boot."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Is there something wrong with Sombrero? It's as if he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opposed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> every statement that is posted here!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yours anyway.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not my liberty. Liberty belongs to everyone. We
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should all
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be equal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> under the law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The US government was founded on libertarian principles!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which were mostly abandoned about 125 years ago for good
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reason,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is why wilson thinks he needs to campaign for going back
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ideas.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Are you nuts? The US government is today still based on civil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberties:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Individual freedoms like free speech, privacy, right to bear
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> arms, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> freedom of association, opposing government censorship.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ever heard of the Statue of Liberty?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Libertarian principles in the U.S. government today
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> emphasize
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> liberty, limited government, free markets, and non-
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interventionism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> We studied this in junior college: US Goverment 101
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I suggest you find a 4 yr university.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This information you were supposed to learn in Middle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> School, Senor!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> And here you are thinking there is nothing more to learn.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Now you know the USA was founded on libertarian principles
>>>>>>>>>>>> that are
>>>>>>>>>>>> still practiced in the US today.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Practiced with limitations. Limitations that chafe the hide of
>>>>>>>>>>> libertarians, and cause them to wail about their liberty and
>>>>>>>>>>> freedom.
>>>>>>>>>>> By which they mean they want to be more free to do whatever they
>>>>>>>>>>> please to gain more wealth.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, that is what freedom is all about.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> In the USA, we have the right to choose, either to work, get
>>>>>>>>>> paid and
>>>>>>>>>> keep our money to spend on whatever we please, or not work and
>>>>>>>>>> go on the
>>>>>>>>>> dole.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The myth of welfare in the us. The last time I looked, in
>>>>>>>>> order to
>>>>>>>>> get their pittance, a woman must be unmarried with kids and
>>>>>>>>> unemployed. If a woman gets child support from an ex or is
>>>>>>>>> employed,
>>>>>>>>> the amount of that support/employment is deducted from their
>>>>>>>>> pittance.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And ubetcha, no woman in that situation is going to have money for
>>>>>>>>> child care so she can get a job and avoid the dole.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You should have planned for that.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It should be your choice to donate to charity, or not. Wealthy
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>> give most of the charity. Poor people pay zero taxes.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> There is no choice to go on the dole. There is no dole
>>>>>>>>> sufficient to
>>>>>>>>> raise kids. It is all conservative smoke and mirrors. It
>>>>>>>>> mystifies
>>>>>>>>> me why conservatives so badly oppose any help for people who
>>>>>>>>> need it,
>>>>>>>>> but there you have it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Your choice. You are free to go on the dole even in Canada, or
>>>>>>>> work and
>>>>>>>> pay income tax.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> No that was not an invitation for you to recite your excuses.
>>>>>>>>> Shadup.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No excuses. Just get off the dole and get out and go get a job -
>>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>>> coding and move to a state that has zero income tax.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Indeed: Programmer Salary
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The average salary for a Programmer is $63.09 per hour in
>>>>>>>> Austin, TX.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> Obviously, you are bound by the laws of your Canadian government.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Canada has a progressive income tax system composed of federal
>>>>>>>>>> and
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