From: punditster@gmail.com   
      
   On 1/14/2026 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 08:56:46 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >   
   >> On 1/14/2026 8:17 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 07:21:44 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> On 1/13/2026 8:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 19:17:32 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>>> On 1/13/2026 4:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:07:14 -0800, Dude  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 10:10 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:04:31 -0800, Dude    
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 7:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:42:55 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:50:31 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:55:14 -0500, Wilson    
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com   
   wrote:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer spending   
   is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unproductive,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an   
   income   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the fuck   
   is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't consumed??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to   
   work. if   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what   
   to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce, eh???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if   
   they   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paid   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk   
   why ur   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes.  THey want   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax   
   amendment   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first.  But   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *limited*   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful   
   country on the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without tariffs???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where's the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us   
   "capitalism"???   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking ??   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system.  No way could   
   consumerism   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to   
   make more   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various tax schemes   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politics   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system.  Perhaps we could   
   think of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one that has not been tried before.  Because, so far,   
   nothing works   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the system   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and   
   appreciated,   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do things   
   to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for   
   others is   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our   
   evolution to   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status   
   conferred an   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increased chance of survival.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          > see that things aren't working as well as we   
   think they should   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          > design a solution to make things better (and   
   improve the   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status of   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those involved in the repair)   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          > solution does not make everything better   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          > some things are even worse   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>          > repeat   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it is time for a new idea, not revert to an old idea like   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libertarianism.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because giving people that much freedom doesn't work for you,   
   as I   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explained:   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because reverting to failed past ideas seems kinda stupid.  As   
   you   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned once upon a time, those ideas were left behind for a   
   reason   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with intention to do things in a better way.  It occurs to me   
   that   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps you don't like the better way that was chosen.  You   
   really   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no interest in possible new ways of handling those old   
   problems.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>>   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>> Leaving behind the ideals of liberty is the end of civilization.   
   >>>>>>>>>>>>   
      
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