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On Fri, 16 Jan 2026 18:14:09 -0800, Dude wrote:
>On 1/14/2026 9:44 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 08:56:46 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/14/2026 8:17 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 14 Jan 2026 07:21:44 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/13/2026 8:09 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 19:17:32 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 4:08 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 14:07:14 -0800, Dude wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 10:10 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 13 Jan 2026 10:04:31 -0800, Dude
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/13/2026 9:26 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 7:03 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 15:42:55 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 1:24 PM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 12:50:31 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 11:37 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 10:55:14 -0500, Wilson
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/12/2026 8:38 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 12 Jan 2026 01:31:52 -0800, dart200
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/11/26 3:36 PM, vjp2.at@at.BioStrategist.dot.dot.com
wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *+-how would we fund consumerism tho???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All the economists, right and left thik consumer
spending is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unproductive,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which is why they would prefer a consumtion tax over an
income
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers buying things is unproductive?? what in the
fuck is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the point
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the economy even?? to make things that aren't
consumed??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumer spending is supposed to be the fucking bedrock
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> guidance of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> economic engine, that's the how the market is supposed to
work. if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumers can't spend ... how in the fuck do we know what
to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce, eh???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ofc we wouldn't need usury to fund consumer spending if
they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> were paid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more fairly regardless of whether we tax them or not. idk
why ur
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bringing up tax that ain't the question here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discourage consumprion, encourage income.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> THe problem is the right doesn't trust the left with two
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> taxes. THey want
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the left to admit defeat and repeal the income tax
amendment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first. But
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs are primarily how the USA was financed before an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> income tax.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i want us to stop using the federal govt, to do things
that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> should be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> state level orchestration. the feds were supposed to be a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *limited*
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> power govt, not governing everything power govt
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fuck tariffs, eh??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> #god
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like bro ... u telling me the richest most powerful
country on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> planet can't complete on the open market without
tariffs???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> where's the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> permanent state of many tariffs edition of us
"capitalism"???
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Usury is an integral part of this system. No way could
consumerism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> generate wealth for a few if they couldn't use money to
make more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> money.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consumerism
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tariffs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> various tax schemes
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> politics
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Something is wrong with this system. Perhaps we could
think of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one that has not been tried before. Because, so far,
nothing works
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> long term, which is why we are here fussing about the
system
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that we
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are left with after the others failed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Human beings want to matter, to feel important and
appreciated,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing so improve their place in the world. So they do
things to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ends. Whether or not they actually make things better for
others is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ultimately always secondary to those primary goals.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is true of people everywhere. We are built by our
evolution to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> improve our social status. Because having a high status
conferred an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> increased chance of survival.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is how we've been behaving:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > see that things aren't working as well as we
think they should
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > design a solution to make things better (and
improve the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> status of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> those involved in the repair)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > solution does not make everything better
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > some things are even worse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > repeat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So it is time for a new idea, not revert to an old idea like
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libertarianism.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because giving people that much freedom doesn't work for you,
as I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> explained:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Because reverting to failed past ideas seems kinda stupid. As
you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mentioned once upon a time, those ideas were left behind for a
reason
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with intention to do things in a better way. It occurs to me
that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps you don't like the better way that was chosen. You
really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have no interest in possible new ways of handling those old
problems.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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