XPost: alt.messianic   
   From: user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   On 1/30/26 7:27 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   > On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 02:11:00 -0800, dart200   
   >  wrote:   
   >   
   >> we finally invented a type of good that has a zero-cost to copy, and we   
   >> still can't seem to figure out how to build a production system where   
   >> all the products are freely distributed, cause we're so concerned about   
   >> getting payment upfront   
   >   
   > So there you have it.  This is why commercialism always fails.   
      
   bruh i'm talking about digital goods that are zero-cost to copy   
      
   real goods aren't the same,   
      
   tho i might suggest we break out design vs production costs requiring   
   that the consumer pay production price upfront ... while the design   
   portion can be paid back as the consumer feels warranted   
      
   this is moving more towards a gifting economy while dealing with the   
   reality that production has actual sunk costs   
      
   i mean in the future maybe we will have the energy availability and   
   labor efficiency to totally transcend markets entirely, but i don't feel   
   we're ready for such a stage   
      
   > Everything must be paid for because we all must pay each other for   
   > what others do for us with few exceptions.  The system depends on us   
   > all doing that.   
      
   this especially fucks up computing. 99.99% of the industry has devolved   
   into bullshit work that is not actually economically beneficial. but   
   people need to get paid, and markets just don't have the capability to   
   select for universal solutions to problems like we ought to be   
   implementing with computing (since they rely on competition and therefor   
   competing systems/standards)   
      
   computing systems are far more like governing systems than real goods   
   production and we haven't collectively recognized that reality yet   
      
   >   
   > The fault that devolves from that is that some of us get more pay than   
   > others, have more status than others, live apart from us in mansions,   
   > work apart from us in skyscrapers in corner offices, so we have no   
   > access to, never even see those people as far as we know.  These are   
   > the people who make the decisions in society.  Their separateness from   
   > us means that they are never held accountable for bad self serving   
   > decisions.   
   >   
   > When shit comes down, the blame goes to the person who enforces those   
   > decisions, not to the decider.  The enforcer is thrown under the bus,   
   > quietly goes away, is fired or moved elsewhere.  In rare cases, maybe   
   > even get some jail time.  But the decision stands.   
   >   
   > And the rest of us are powerless.  Why can't things be different?  '   
   > 1) because those who have the power like having power, will not allow   
   > things to be different.   
   > 2) because the rest of us like it that way too.  We are powerless, but   
   > we are also blameless.  The guy in the corner office at the top of a   
   > skyscraper did it, not us.   
   >   
   > Too radical?  Of course it is, because this is the way things have   
   > always been, since humans stopped being hunter gatherers.  This is how   
   > we know how to be.   
   >   
   >> it's silly and entirely anti-consumer. it doesn't cost anything to grant   
   >> a consumer access to the digital good, let them have the experience and   
   >> decide after if it warrants payment for the experience. and for   
   >> continued development by creator. this will create a better feedback   
   >> system where people only pay for products they value after they had the   
   >> experience, not before...   
   >>   
   >> will some people cheat the system??? i guess, but that already happens,   
   >> and we end up with a worse feedback system where people have to pay   
   >> speculatively upfront for the experience rather than paying back for an   
   >> experience they valued enough to voluntarily pay for   
   >>   
   >> never mind all the DRM and platform locking bull crap that just wastes   
   >> everyone's time with utter nonsense   
      
   you know what will make the rest of us not powerless noah?   
      
    > consolidating our voice by committed consensus making   
    >   
    > #god   
      
   something the rich are wholly incapable of doing even among themselves   
   since they've mostly been selected and filtered by late stage hyper   
   capitalism, so tbh they're powerless to set up a competing system of   
   consensus making. that's so far off their radar they can't even imagine   
   it coming 🤡🌎   
      
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