XPost: alt.messianic   
   From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On 1/30/2026 4:46 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   > On 1/30/26 7:27 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 02:11:00 -0800, dart200   
   >>  wrote:   
   >>   
   >>> we finally invented a type of good that has a zero-cost to copy, and we   
   >>> still can't seem to figure out how to build a production system where   
   >>> all the products are freely distributed, cause we're so concerned about   
   >>> getting payment upfront   
   >>   
   >> So there you have it.  This is why commercialism always fails.   
   >   
   > bruh i'm talking about digital goods that are zero-cost to copy   
   >   
   > real goods aren't the same,   
   >   
   > tho i might suggest we break out design vs production costs requiring   
   > that the consumer pay production price upfront ... while the design   
   > portion can be paid back as the consumer feels warranted   
   >   
   > this is moving more towards a gifting economy while dealing with the   
   > reality that production has actual sunk costs   
   >   
   > i mean in the future maybe we will have the energy availability and   
   > labor efficiency to totally transcend markets entirely, but i don't feel   
   > we're ready for such a stage   
   >   
   >> Everything must be paid for because we all must pay each other for   
   >> what others do for us with few exceptions.  The system depends on us   
   >> all doing that.   
   >   
   > this especially fucks up computing. 99.99% of the industry has devolved   
   > into bullshit work that is not actually economically beneficial. but   
   > people need to get paid, and markets just don't have the capability to   
   > select for universal solutions to problems like we ought to be   
   > implementing with computing (since they rely on competition and therefor   
   > competing systems/standards)   
   >   
   > computing systems are far more like governing systems than real goods   
   > production and we haven't collectively recognized that reality yet   
   >   
   >>   
   >> The fault that devolves from that is that some of us get more pay than   
   >> others, have more status than others, live apart from us in mansions,   
   >> work apart from us in skyscrapers in corner offices, so we have no   
   >> access to, never even see those people as far as we know.  These are   
   >> the people who make the decisions in society.  Their separateness from   
   >> us means that they are never held accountable for bad self serving   
   >> decisions.   
   >>   
   >> When shit comes down, the blame goes to the person who enforces those   
   >> decisions, not to the decider.  The enforcer is thrown under the bus,   
   >> quietly goes away, is fired or moved elsewhere.  In rare cases, maybe   
   >> even get some jail time.  But the decision stands.   
   >>   
   >> And the rest of us are powerless.  Why can't things be different?  '   
   >> 1) because those who have the power like having power, will not allow   
   >> things to be different.   
   >> 2) because the rest of us like it that way too.  We are powerless, but   
   >> we are also blameless.  The guy in the corner office at the top of a   
   >> skyscraper did it, not us.   
   >>   
   >> Too radical?  Of course it is, because this is the way things have   
   >> always been, since humans stopped being hunter gatherers.  This is how   
   >> we know how to be.   
   >>   
   >>> it's silly and entirely anti-consumer. it doesn't cost anything to grant   
   >>> a consumer access to the digital good, let them have the experience and   
   >>> decide after if it warrants payment for the experience. and for   
   >>> continued development by creator. this will create a better feedback   
   >>> system where people only pay for products they value after they had the   
   >>> experience, not before...   
   >>>   
   >>> will some people cheat the system??? i guess, but that already happens,   
   >>> and we end up with a worse feedback system where people have to pay   
   >>> speculatively upfront for the experience rather than paying back for an   
   >>> experience they valued enough to voluntarily pay for   
   >>>   
   >>> never mind all the DRM and platform locking bull crap that just wastes   
   >>> everyone's time with utter nonsense   
   >   
   > you know what will make the rest of us not powerless noah?   
   >   
   >  > consolidating our voice by committed consensus making   
   >  >   
   >  > #god   
   >   
   > something the rich are wholly incapable of doing even among themselves   
   > since they've mostly been selected and filtered by late stage hyper   
   > capitalism, so tbh they're powerless to set up a competing system of   
   > consensus making. that's so far off their radar they can't even imagine   
   > it coming 🤡🌎   
   >   
      
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