XPost: alt.messianic   
   From: user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid   
      
   On 1/31/26 8:36 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   > On 1/30/2026 4:46 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >> On 1/30/26 7:27 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 02:11:00 -0800, dart200   
   >>>  wrote:   
   >>>   
   >>>> we finally invented a type of good that has a zero-cost to copy, and we   
   >>>> still can't seem to figure out how to build a production system where   
   >>>> all the products are freely distributed, cause we're so concerned about   
   >>>> getting payment upfront   
   >>>   
   >>> So there you have it.  This is why commercialism always fails.   
   >>   
   >> bruh i'm talking about digital goods that are zero-cost to copy   
   >>   
   >> real goods aren't the same,   
   >>   
   >> tho i might suggest we break out design vs production costs requiring   
   >> that the consumer pay production price upfront ... while the design   
   >> portion can be paid back as the consumer feels warranted   
   >>   
   >> this is moving more towards a gifting economy while dealing with the   
   >> reality that production has actual sunk costs   
   >>   
   >> i mean in the future maybe we will have the energy availability and   
   >> labor efficiency to totally transcend markets entirely, but i don't   
   >> feel we're ready for such a stage   
   >>   
   >>> Everything must be paid for because we all must pay each other for   
   >>> what others do for us with few exceptions.  The system depends on us   
   >>> all doing that.   
   >>   
   >> this especially fucks up computing. 99.99% of the industry has   
   >> devolved into bullshit work that is not actually economically   
   >> beneficial. but people need to get paid, and markets just don't have   
   >> the capability to select for universal solutions to problems like we   
   >> ought to be implementing with computing (since they rely on   
   >> competition and therefor competing systems/standards)   
   >>   
   >> computing systems are far more like governing systems than real goods   
   >> production and we haven't collectively recognized that reality yet   
   >>   
   >>>   
   >>> The fault that devolves from that is that some of us get more pay than   
   >>> others, have more status than others, live apart from us in mansions,   
   >>> work apart from us in skyscrapers in corner offices, so we have no   
   >>> access to, never even see those people as far as we know.  These are   
   >>> the people who make the decisions in society.  Their separateness from   
   >>> us means that they are never held accountable for bad self serving   
   >>> decisions.   
   >>>   
   >>> When shit comes down, the blame goes to the person who enforces those   
   >>> decisions, not to the decider.  The enforcer is thrown under the bus,   
   >>> quietly goes away, is fired or moved elsewhere.  In rare cases, maybe   
   >>> even get some jail time.  But the decision stands.   
   >>>   
   >>> And the rest of us are powerless.  Why can't things be different?  '   
   >>> 1) because those who have the power like having power, will not allow   
   >>> things to be different.   
   >>> 2) because the rest of us like it that way too.  We are powerless, but   
   >>> we are also blameless.  The guy in the corner office at the top of a   
   >>> skyscraper did it, not us.   
   >>>   
   >>> Too radical?  Of course it is, because this is the way things have   
   >>> always been, since humans stopped being hunter gatherers.  This is how   
   >>> we know how to be.   
   >>>   
   >>>> it's silly and entirely anti-consumer. it doesn't cost anything to   
   >>>> grant   
   >>>> a consumer access to the digital good, let them have the experience and   
   >>>> decide after if it warrants payment for the experience. and for   
   >>>> continued development by creator. this will create a better feedback   
   >>>> system where people only pay for products they value after they had the   
   >>>> experience, not before...   
   >>>>   
   >>>> will some people cheat the system??? i guess, but that already happens,   
   >>>> and we end up with a worse feedback system where people have to pay   
   >>>> speculatively upfront for the experience rather than paying back for an   
   >>>> experience they valued enough to voluntarily pay for   
   >>>>   
   >>>> never mind all the DRM and platform locking bull crap that just wastes   
   >>>> everyone's time with utter nonsense   
   >>   
   >> you know what will make the rest of us not powerless noah?   
   >>   
   >>  > consolidating our voice by committed consensus making   
   >>  >   
   >>  > #god   
   >>   
   >> something the rich are wholly incapable of doing even among themselves   
   >> since they've mostly been selected and filtered by late stage hyper   
   >> capitalism, so tbh they're powerless to set up a competing system of   
   >> consensus making. that's so far off their radar they can't even   
   >> imagine it coming 🤡🌎   
   >>   
   >   
   > "Late stage capitalism"   
   >   
   > https://i.redd.it/6pz3jus402jc1.jpeg   
   >   
      
   that's because it is   
      
   do u think giving the global masses a voice, the 90% of the global   
   population the lives off sub $20/day, would use that voice to support   
   the grossly oppressive and inequitable system of property rights as it   
   stands???   
      
    > 😂😂😂   
    >   
    > #god   
      
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   hi, why are we god? let's end war 🙃   
      
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