XPost: alt.messianic   
   From: Wilson@nowhere.invalid   
      
   On 1/31/2026 1:42 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   > On 1/31/26 8:36 AM, Wilson wrote:   
   >> On 1/30/2026 4:46 PM, dart200 wrote:   
   >>> On 1/30/26 7:27 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:   
   >>>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 02:11:00 -0800, dart200   
   >>>>  wrote:   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> we finally invented a type of good that has a zero-cost to copy,   
   >>>>> and we   
   >>>>> still can't seem to figure out how to build a production system where   
   >>>>> all the products are freely distributed, cause we're so concerned   
   >>>>> about   
   >>>>> getting payment upfront   
   >>>>   
   >>>> So there you have it.  This is why commercialism always fails.   
   >>>   
   >>> bruh i'm talking about digital goods that are zero-cost to copy   
   >>>   
   >>> real goods aren't the same,   
   >>>   
   >>> tho i might suggest we break out design vs production costs requiring   
   >>> that the consumer pay production price upfront ... while the design   
   >>> portion can be paid back as the consumer feels warranted   
   >>>   
   >>> this is moving more towards a gifting economy while dealing with the   
   >>> reality that production has actual sunk costs   
   >>>   
   >>> i mean in the future maybe we will have the energy availability and   
   >>> labor efficiency to totally transcend markets entirely, but i don't   
   >>> feel we're ready for such a stage   
   >>>   
   >>>> Everything must be paid for because we all must pay each other for   
   >>>> what others do for us with few exceptions.  The system depends on us   
   >>>> all doing that.   
   >>>   
   >>> this especially fucks up computing. 99.99% of the industry has   
   >>> devolved into bullshit work that is not actually economically   
   >>> beneficial. but people need to get paid, and markets just don't have   
   >>> the capability to select for universal solutions to problems like we   
   >>> ought to be implementing with computing (since they rely on   
   >>> competition and therefor competing systems/standards)   
   >>>   
   >>> computing systems are far more like governing systems than real goods   
   >>> production and we haven't collectively recognized that reality yet   
   >>>   
   >>>>   
   >>>> The fault that devolves from that is that some of us get more pay than   
   >>>> others, have more status than others, live apart from us in mansions,   
   >>>> work apart from us in skyscrapers in corner offices, so we have no   
   >>>> access to, never even see those people as far as we know.  These are   
   >>>> the people who make the decisions in society.  Their separateness from   
   >>>> us means that they are never held accountable for bad self serving   
   >>>> decisions.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> When shit comes down, the blame goes to the person who enforces those   
   >>>> decisions, not to the decider.  The enforcer is thrown under the bus,   
   >>>> quietly goes away, is fired or moved elsewhere.  In rare cases, maybe   
   >>>> even get some jail time.  But the decision stands.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> And the rest of us are powerless.  Why can't things be different?  '   
   >>>> 1) because those who have the power like having power, will not allow   
   >>>> things to be different.   
   >>>> 2) because the rest of us like it that way too.  We are powerless, but   
   >>>> we are also blameless.  The guy in the corner office at the top of a   
   >>>> skyscraper did it, not us.   
   >>>>   
   >>>> Too radical?  Of course it is, because this is the way things have   
   >>>> always been, since humans stopped being hunter gatherers.  This is how   
   >>>> we know how to be.   
   >>>>   
   >>>>> it's silly and entirely anti-consumer. it doesn't cost anything to   
   >>>>> grant   
   >>>>> a consumer access to the digital good, let them have the experience   
   >>>>> and   
   >>>>> decide after if it warrants payment for the experience. and for   
   >>>>> continued development by creator. this will create a better feedback   
   >>>>> system where people only pay for products they value after they had   
   >>>>> the   
   >>>>> experience, not before...   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> will some people cheat the system??? i guess, but that already   
   >>>>> happens,   
   >>>>> and we end up with a worse feedback system where people have to pay   
   >>>>> speculatively upfront for the experience rather than paying back   
   >>>>> for an   
   >>>>> experience they valued enough to voluntarily pay for   
   >>>>>   
   >>>>> never mind all the DRM and platform locking bull crap that just wastes   
   >>>>> everyone's time with utter nonsense   
   >>>   
   >>> you know what will make the rest of us not powerless noah?   
   >>>   
   >>>  > consolidating our voice by committed consensus making   
   >>>  >   
   >>>  > #god   
   >>>   
   >>> something the rich are wholly incapable of doing even among   
   >>> themselves since they've mostly been selected and filtered by late   
   >>> stage hyper capitalism, so tbh they're powerless to set up a   
   >>> competing system of consensus making. that's so far off their radar   
   >>> they can't even imagine it coming 🤡🌎   
   >>>   
   >>   
   >> "Late stage capitalism"   
   >>   
   >> https://i.redd.it/6pz3jus402jc1.jpeg   
   >>   
   >   
   > that's because it is   
   >   
   > do u think giving the global masses a voice, the 90% of the global   
   > population the lives off sub $20/day, would use that voice to support   
   > the grossly oppressive and inequitable system of property rights as it   
   > stands???   
   >   
   >  > 😂😂😂   
   >  >   
   >  > #god   
   >   
      
   People are not the same everywhere. The sub-saharan is vastly different   
   in outlook and ethics from the western.   
      
   To give them a voice in what we can do here is profoundly ignorant and   
   self-destructive. Suicidal even.   
      
   --- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05   
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