XPost: alt.messianic
From: user7160@newsgrouper.org.invalid
On 1/31/26 10:48 AM, Wilson wrote:
> On 1/31/2026 1:42 PM, dart200 wrote:
>> On 1/31/26 8:36 AM, Wilson wrote:
>>> On 1/30/2026 4:46 PM, dart200 wrote:
>>>> On 1/30/26 7:27 AM, Noah Sombrero wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2026 02:11:00 -0800, dart200
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> we finally invented a type of good that has a zero-cost to copy,
>>>>>> and we
>>>>>> still can't seem to figure out how to build a production system where
>>>>>> all the products are freely distributed, cause we're so concerned
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> getting payment upfront
>>>>>
>>>>> So there you have it. This is why commercialism always fails.
>>>>
>>>> bruh i'm talking about digital goods that are zero-cost to copy
>>>>
>>>> real goods aren't the same,
>>>>
>>>> tho i might suggest we break out design vs production costs
>>>> requiring that the consumer pay production price upfront ... while
>>>> the design portion can be paid back as the consumer feels warranted
>>>>
>>>> this is moving more towards a gifting economy while dealing with the
>>>> reality that production has actual sunk costs
>>>>
>>>> i mean in the future maybe we will have the energy availability and
>>>> labor efficiency to totally transcend markets entirely, but i don't
>>>> feel we're ready for such a stage
>>>>
>>>>> Everything must be paid for because we all must pay each other for
>>>>> what others do for us with few exceptions. The system depends on us
>>>>> all doing that.
>>>>
>>>> this especially fucks up computing. 99.99% of the industry has
>>>> devolved into bullshit work that is not actually economically
>>>> beneficial. but people need to get paid, and markets just don't have
>>>> the capability to select for universal solutions to problems like we
>>>> ought to be implementing with computing (since they rely on
>>>> competition and therefor competing systems/standards)
>>>>
>>>> computing systems are far more like governing systems than real
>>>> goods production and we haven't collectively recognized that reality
>>>> yet
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The fault that devolves from that is that some of us get more pay than
>>>>> others, have more status than others, live apart from us in mansions,
>>>>> work apart from us in skyscrapers in corner offices, so we have no
>>>>> access to, never even see those people as far as we know. These are
>>>>> the people who make the decisions in society. Their separateness from
>>>>> us means that they are never held accountable for bad self serving
>>>>> decisions.
>>>>>
>>>>> When shit comes down, the blame goes to the person who enforces those
>>>>> decisions, not to the decider. The enforcer is thrown under the bus,
>>>>> quietly goes away, is fired or moved elsewhere. In rare cases, maybe
>>>>> even get some jail time. But the decision stands.
>>>>>
>>>>> And the rest of us are powerless. Why can't things be different? '
>>>>> 1) because those who have the power like having power, will not allow
>>>>> things to be different.
>>>>> 2) because the rest of us like it that way too. We are powerless, but
>>>>> we are also blameless. The guy in the corner office at the top of a
>>>>> skyscraper did it, not us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Too radical? Of course it is, because this is the way things have
>>>>> always been, since humans stopped being hunter gatherers. This is how
>>>>> we know how to be.
>>>>>
>>>>>> it's silly and entirely anti-consumer. it doesn't cost anything to
>>>>>> grant
>>>>>> a consumer access to the digital good, let them have the
>>>>>> experience and
>>>>>> decide after if it warrants payment for the experience. and for
>>>>>> continued development by creator. this will create a better feedback
>>>>>> system where people only pay for products they value after they
>>>>>> had the
>>>>>> experience, not before...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> will some people cheat the system??? i guess, but that already
>>>>>> happens,
>>>>>> and we end up with a worse feedback system where people have to pay
>>>>>> speculatively upfront for the experience rather than paying back
>>>>>> for an
>>>>>> experience they valued enough to voluntarily pay for
>>>>>>
>>>>>> never mind all the DRM and platform locking bull crap that just
>>>>>> wastes
>>>>>> everyone's time with utter nonsense
>>>>
>>>> you know what will make the rest of us not powerless noah?
>>>>
>>>> > consolidating our voice by committed consensus making
>>>> >
>>>> > #god
>>>>
>>>> something the rich are wholly incapable of doing even among
>>>> themselves since they've mostly been selected and filtered by late
>>>> stage hyper capitalism, so tbh they're powerless to set up a
>>>> competing system of consensus making. that's so far off their radar
>>>> they can't even imagine it coming 🤡🌎
>>>>
>>>
>>> "Late stage capitalism"
>>>
>>> https://i.redd.it/6pz3jus402jc1.jpeg
>>>
>>
>> that's because it is
>>
>> do u think giving the global masses a voice, the 90% of the global
>> population the lives off sub $20/day, would use that voice to support
>> the grossly oppressive and inequitable system of property rights as it
>> stands???
>>
>> > 😂😂😂
>> >
>> > #god
>>
>
> People are not the same everywhere. The sub-saharan is vastly different
> in outlook and ethics from the western.
they are however, quite poor. and they all know it
>
> To give them a voice in what we can do here is profoundly ignorant and
> self-destructive. Suicidal even.
imagine an american preaching against free speech
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